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Again, it isn't all they can afford, it's all they choose to buy. There are plenty of cheaper and healthier options that don't really take all that much more time and effort to make, just a little planning.

I too blame customers, without their demand, these products wouldn't exist.
Again, you're still missing the point.

Choose/want/afford..whatever. They still have the right to expect beef if it says beef on the bloody label!
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Try it - it adds a lovely texture, makes it go much further without loss of quality - just had some with our baked potatoes, delicious. Try it, honest - I am surprised that you wouldn't consider adding a few lentils, and yet would be prepared to eat dubious and very cheap ready-made lasagna. Perhaps illustrated the point I was trying to make quite well though. Sublime to the ridiculous. I'd say that it is a great cooking skill to know how to make good quality food feed a family at reasonable price.
This made me chuckle, you're missing the point regularly and spectacularly. I have never said that I would be "prepared to eat dubious and very cheap ready-made lasagna".
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Perhaps I am misremembering - but isn't Tesco "Everyday Value" beef among the products which have tested positive for horse meat anyhow?
AFAIK it's just the bought in processed stuff (like burgers).

I think (maybe naively) that their fresh mince is prepared in-store (or centrally for smaller stores with no butcher.
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Old 11.02.2013, 15:52
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Romania

It's getting more interesting. Report on BBC news has an "angry" President of Romania saying - no doubt correctly - that the abattoirs under scrutiny had export licences for beef and horse, and in fact was shipping *carcasses* not minced or otherwise processed meat. He then added something along the lines of "and again, the Eastern end of Europe is getting bad press while everyone listens to the Western countries who have much better PR". And I don't blame him for saying that.

So, someone saw a horse carcass and decided to grind it and add it to the beef. And it now seems that this someone was a company not in Romania.

They should make a CSI episode out of this.
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1x beef, 3x tomatoes, possibly 2x packets of lasagna noodles, 2 or 3x ricotta, definitely 3x moz.
You are using the wrong recipe!

500g beef, 3/4l milk, 50g butter, 50g flour, three tbs. tomato paste, one carrot, one rib celery, 100g parmagiana, a glass of red, a glass of white, spices, some olive oil, and one box of lasagne.

No ricotta or mozzarella, nor tomatoes.

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Apologies to our Romanian members, as this is nothing personal, but ....... but it appears that criminal gangs have been passing off horsemeat as beef for processed meat products - that may (or may not) have originated from Romania, due to a new law banning horse-drawn carts and wagons from the streets of Romania ...... resulting in too many old nags.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21401111
I hope people in charge will take measures against that company, if it will be find guilty of breaking the law.
It's not "criminal gangs", it's a company which seems to have broken the law.
We'll see if it is true or not, of course before that it will be a huge public scandal, given the seriousness of the matter. If illegalities have been committed, let them be brought into open light, this way all of us, as consumers, will benefit, no matter if this time is a Romanian company.
Btw, that law forbids horse-drawn carts and wagons from national roads, it was not intended to forbid their circulation on village roads or such. So this supposition is false, nobody will give up their horses because of that law. Some small farms are still very traditional, partly because lack of funds for modernizing, partly because this is the way things were done for long and some don't see the need to change them. I don't see any problems with that.
As I see it very often, people with little info (like you OP) will make the biggest noise.

If someone is interested in later news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21413376
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Old 11.02.2013, 15:55
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People in the U.K. spend about 10% of their earnings on food. It used to be 40%.

A lot of people don't want quality any more and certainly aren't willing to pay for it.

Even if they do get 100% beef in their lasagne, are they so naive that they think, for the price they pay, that they're getting a nice piece of beef ground up by some happy local butcher.

This is industrial cooking and the end product shows it.




Most people would easily be able to tell the difference.
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They should make a CSI episode out of this.
They already did.

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Again, you're still missing the point.

Choose/want/afford..whatever. They still have the right to expect beef if it says beef on the bloody label!
From my post over a page back..

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I think if something is labeled "beef" of course you should get "beef", however, a healthy dose of skepticism never hurts, and if something is too good to be true (i.e. extremely cheap), it probably is.

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You are using the wrong recipe!

500g beef, 3/4l milk, 50g butter, 50g flour, three tbs. tomato paste, one carrot, one rib celery, 100g parmagiana, a glass of red, a glass of white, spices, some olive oil, and one box of lasagne.

No ricotta or mozzarella, nor tomatoes.

Tom
There is a big difference between healthy family cooking and 'cordon bleu' or TV chef cookery. And there is no 'right or wrong' recipe either. Good quality traditional family cookery, be it in Italy or France, or wherever - has always included what was growing in the garden, what was plentiful at the time locally, what beast had been slaughtered or hunted locally that week, etc. Even the Italians would disagree about 'correct' recipe depending on generation, and region.

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This made me chuckle, you're missing the point regularly and spectacularly. I have never said that I would be "prepared to eat dubious and very cheap ready-made lasagna".
Glad to hear it
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Old 11.02.2013, 16:08
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From my post over a page back..




You also said it was the consumers fault, no its not.
In your next post you said a consumer should expect beef but you also said 'if something is too good to be true', well actually no, if it says beef it should be beef regardless of price or where it has come from.
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And there is no 'right or wrong' recipe either.
Italians would beg to differ:

http://ricette.giallozafferano.it/La...Bolognese.html

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Why are they being banned? Is this something that ia to happen quicly, or over a period of time? Is an alternative being offered for those who cannot afford alternative transport.
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They are not banned, Biff. This is a false information propagated by certain media channels for obvious reasons. Their circulation is forbidden only on national roads - the "big" roads, for safety reasons. They are still well and alive, used for agricultural work.
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Mixing 2 issues here. One is that labeling should be clear and to be trusted = beef is beef and not horse. The consumer cannot be responsible for this not being the case.

The other is about quality, irrespective of animal species. And the consumer does have 'some; responsibility to bear for asking cheaper and cheaper food, and spending less and less of % of salary on food. Again, if you buy 2 large chickens for £5 - feeding 12 approx (and more if you boil carcass to make stock for risotto, etc)- then you have, somehow, to realise the husbandry, feed, etc, can't be of quality, can you? And even more so when it comes to sausages, pies, and other ready-made cheap dishes, like the lasagna in question.

Tom, 'the' Italians - I can only see one in the video I bet her mother would chuck in a courgette or a pepper, if she has a glut in the garden, or whatever. Certainly what would happen in rural Tuscany near Faro where we go once a year- and where people are not well-off. If it is around, it will be used somehow. Same in rural France or even Switzerland.
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There is a big difference between healthy family cooking and 'cordon bleu' or TV chef cookery. And there is no 'right or wrong' recipe either. Good quality traditional family cookery, be it in Italy or France, or wherever - has always included what was growing in the garden, what was plentiful at the time locally, what beast had been slaughtered or hunted locally that week, etc.
the vast majority of tv chefs are not showing people how to cook "cordon bleu but how to cook a specific dish at home, call it "healthy family cooking"
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You are using the wrong recipe!

500g beef, 3/4l milk, 50g butter, 50g flour, three tbs. tomato paste, one carrot, one rib celery, 100g parmagiana, a glass of red, a glass of white, spices, some olive oil, and one box of lasagne.

No ricotta or mozzarella, nor tomatoes.

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I was just using the given ingredients - no one said anything about what would have been on MY shopping list for making lasagna.
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if you buy 2 large chickens for £5 - feeding 12 approx (and more if you boil carcass to make stock for risotto, etc)- then you have, somehow, to realise the husbandry, feed, etc, can't be of quality, can you?
For a good chunk of people, protein is protein. They buy what they can afford to feed their family. What would you have them do? Eat gruel?
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Mixing 2 issues here. One if that labeling should be clear and to be trusted = beef is beef and not horse. The consumer cannot be responsible for this not being the case.

The other is about quality, irrespective of animal species. And the consumer does have 'some; responsibility to bear for asking cheaper and cheaper food, and spending less and less of % of salary on food. Again, if you buy 2 large chickens for £5 - feeding 12 approx (and more if you boil carcass to make stock for risotto, etc)- then you have, somehow, to realise the husbandry, feed, etc, can't be of quality, can you? And even more so when it comes to sausages, pies, and other ready-made cheap dishes, like the lasagna in question.

Tom, 'the' Italians - I can only see one in the video I bet her mother would chuck in a courgette or a pepper, if she has a glut in the garden, or whatever. Certainly what would happen in rural Tuscany near Faro where we go once a year- and where people are not well-off. If it is around, it will be used somehow. Same in rural France or even Switzerland.
I totally agree. I too sometimes don't understand why people complain about the cost of food, given the Swiss wages. I prefer to buy whole parts of meat, even in Switzerland, as I am convinced minced meat is done from poorer quality meats for instance.
The whole scandal is somehow ridiculous to me, as we in Romania don't eat horse meat.
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For a good chunk of people, protein is protein. They buy what they can afford to feed their family. What would you have them do? Eat gruel?
Maybe this?

List of Edible Insects

There are quite a few of those that could go either whole or ground into a soup or a sauce, and some folk would never even notice.
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