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Just back from the shops... Coop have pulled all their home brand lasagnas (they come from Comigel), Findus lasagnas are selling at 3 for the price of two with big labels saying Swiss Beef on them, Migros has swiss ground beef on special and their fresh bolognese lasagnas all carry "Viande Suisse" labels on them. Looks like the scare is on in this country too. Some PR companies must be making quite a mint!

Meanwhile I have a Migros own brand frozen lasagne verde lurking in the freezer, it says made in CH with CH beef but I'm a bit leery at this stage of this business.

Migros says, they make their own lasagne (in Switzerland) with Swiss meat they process on-site.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/28065401
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Just back from the shops... Coop have pulled all their home brand lasagnas (they come from Comigel), Findus lasagnas are selling at 3 for the price of two with big labels saying Swiss Beef on them, Migros has swiss ground beef on special and their fresh bolognese lasagnas all carry "Viande Suisse" labels on them. Looks like the scare is on in this country too. Some PR companies must be making quite a mint!

Meanwhile I have a Migros own brand frozen lasagne verde lurking in the freezer, it says made in CH with CH beef but I'm a bit leery at this stage of this business.
Can a mod please change the thread title to

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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Luxembourg.

(where the Swiss Co-op lasagne was produced)

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Can a mod please change the thread title to

Re: Horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Switzerland.

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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Luxembourg.

(where the Swiss Co-op lasagne was produced)

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I nearly set up a poll over the weekend asking how long the members thought it would take before Switzerland is concerned... I now regret not doing so!
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Can a mod please change the thread title to

Re: Horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Switzerland.

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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Luxembourg.

(where the Swiss Co-op lasagne was produced)

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Or to Horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Mexico

Horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Canada

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it seems there are tons of horsemeat coming from these countries into UK, I bet they are better quality and have higher traceability that's why nobody complained yet..

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/b...rson-live-blog

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Or to Horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Mexico

Horsemeat scandal - Focus switches to Canada

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it seems there are tons of horsemeat coming from these countries into UK, I bet they are better quality and have higher traceability that's why nobody complained yet..
They were mentioned in the Radio 4 programme that I posted the link to before. The Irish autorities had traded some back to thoose countries
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I love the new tittle.

It can't get any clearer
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More possibilities

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21434077
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Have to admit, mods got it well with the new title.
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

I still want to blame someone.
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I still want to blame someone.
Blame the shoppers who buy 99p ready meals in supermarkets instead of shopping at their local butcher
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Have to admit, mods got it well with the new title.
Except its now been noted that the source could be much closer to home and in the UK which will upset the BBC who like to blame everyone outside the homeland
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Why do 'poor' people in Italy, Spain or Switzerland, etc, cook from scratch with healthy but simple ingredients, whilst very many Brits seem somehow unable to do so? Why is it that in many countries, cooking from scratch is the normal thing to do, poor or middle-class? Why is it that only in the UK is cooking from scratch seen as middle-class? All kids are taught to cook basic dishes with simple quality ingredients in schools in the UK - it certainly is in the 4 schools I taught at and the ones my girls attended (state comprehensives).

Serious question - any answers? It seems the more tv programmes on cooking there is on telly, the least people actually cook themselves?
Nobody has attempted to answer this one. So I attempted to do so myself - and perhaps we have to look back to history and 'blame' the early land enclosures that sent the peasants into towns very early on, and England's very early industrialisation - much earlier than the above mentioned countries, which remained much more rural until much later. Perhaps in England, the majority lost contact with food growing and raising such a long time ago, in industrial areas at least- and lost the close relationship between growing/raising and cooking? And as life was tough in towns for workers, cheap bought food became paramount for survival. What do you think? Again, serious question and certainly no criticism intended- as you know I do and always will, love England and spend much time there and lived there very happily, eating very well, all my adult life.

The whole debacle is such a total mess - and it will take weeks and not longer, and perhaps never, to find who this web of fraud and deceit was woven together. It does seem very easy and unfair to just blame 'Rumania', that is for sure. Let's hope heads will roll, and not just the horses'. If it makes us think a bit more about what we eat, and how our lifestyle and choices impacts food quality - maybe a good thing. Apologies for the long post + link - but the whole thing is connected somehow.


In case anybody is interested, here is a bit of 'enclosures' which started in the 13th Century and continued throughout the Tudor period, culminating in the 15 and 16C - pushing farm workers/peasant into towns. Villages were destroyed/burnt and the land used to grow crops given to raising sheep for the new wool/weaving industry.

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In English social and economic history, enclosure or inclosure[1] is the process which ends traditional rights such as mowing meadows for hay, or grazing livestock on common land formerly held in the open field system. Once enclosed, these uses of the land become restricted to the owner, and it ceases to be land for commons. In England and Wales the term is also used for the process that ended the ancient system of arable farming in open fields. Under enclosure, such land is fenced (enclosed) and deeded or entitled to one or more owners. The process of enclosure began to be a widespread feature of the English agricultural landscape during the 16th century. By the 19th century, unenclosed commons had become largely restricted to rough pasture in mountainous areas and to relatively small parts of the lowlands.
The process of enclosure has sometimes been accompanied by force, resistance, and bloodshed, and remains among the most controversial areas of agricultural and economic history in England. Marxist and neo-Marxist historians argue that rich landowners used their control of state processes to appropriate public land for their private benefit. This created a landless working class that provided the labour required in the new industries developing in the north of England. For example: "In agriculture the years between 1760 and 1820 are the years of wholesale enclosure in which, in village after village, common rights are lost".[2] "Enclosure (when all the sophistications are allowed for) was a plain enough case of class robbery".[3][4]

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Except its now been noted that the source could be much closer to home and in the UK which will upset the BBC who like to blame everyone outside the homeland
Given the complexity of the food chain, there really is only one point at which this could have been pulled off and that is close to home, at any other point in the chain the level of collusion required would almost certainly have lead to it's early disclosure.

Failing this the alternatives are that:

- Entire chain is corrupt

- The health authorities right a cross the EU would appear to have failed...

My other concern is how this was discovered, it appears to have started with the Irish authorities detecting small amount in burgers, which caused the others to start their investigations - given the extend of the problem, you'd kind of expect that more than one agency would have made the initial discovery.... I would have expected that these tests would have been standard through out the industry, but it appears not.
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

just got an e mail from migros le shop


Current press news about the horse meat found in British Findus lasagne lie heavy on consumers’ stomachs. As we think it is important to be fully transparent about the quality of Findus products at
LeShop.ch, we would like to share the following information with you.
Our Findus products such as lasagne, cannelloni and gratins are sourced from Findus Switzerland, which is part of the Nestlé group and has no connection with Findus Great-Britain. Findus Switzerland uses exclusively Swiss beef for the above-mentioned dishes. They are produced in Rorschach on Lake Constance.
Yesterday, Nestlé has explicitly confirmed and guaranteed the above information.
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Re: British horsemeat scandal - Focus remains unfocussed

Police have raided a UK slaughterhouse and a meat company..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21434077
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Police have raided a UK slaughterhouse and a meat company..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21434077
Bloody Brits. I knew they were to blame.
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Great...We'll become even more paranoid than we already are, regarding food safety...maybe all people will turn vegetarians?
Vegan_Chef, did you know anything?

Or wait, new studies will reveal that horse meat is in fact less fatty, more nutritious and...tastier - that's why people were addicted to burgers..
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Bloody Brits. I knew they were to blame.
Actually, having said that, all they have to do now is stick a Union Jack sticker on lasagne and say it was British prepared horse and they'll fly out like, well, hot dinners.
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My other concern is how this was discovered, it appears to have started with the Irish authorities detecting small amount in burgers, which caused the others to start their investigations - given the extend of the problem, you'd kind of expect that more than one agency would have made the initial discovery.... I would have expected that these tests would have been standard through out the industry, but it appears not.
That and the fact that horse meat was labelled as beef meat, and for that you need stamps and certifications from veterinary authorities in each country the meat goes - out and in, departure and arrival, so to speak. Amazing, isn't it? What do they learn in school?
Seriously, I really think this is the top of the iceberg...there's more to follow to horsemeatgate....unless everything is covered up.
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