There is a pop-culture trend in our succession of presidents. Each persona represents their generational values.
Starting with Reagan, he personified the WWII generation, also called "The Great Generation". This would cover the 1945-1955 years. His call to bring back America's former glory appealed to a country reeling from the Vietnam War.
He was followed by Bush Sr., who personified the era of the Korean War and the build up of the Cold War. He was director of the CIA. This would be 1955-1965ish.
Then Clinton, who is clearly from the 60's. Protest movements, drugs and free love. That would cover 1965-1975.
Then we have George W. Bush. Covering 1975 - 1985. This man shows he doesn't care what you think, is willing to shock, and has a D.I.Y. ethos. He's the Punk Rock President.
The 1985-1995 years were dominated by the Yuppie generation. I wonder who of the three best represent that ethos. Clinton leans more towards the 60's generation, while Obama is really more of a Gen-X kinda of guy. McCain is definitely not in the range, unless he identifies himself with the surge of the evangelical movement of the time. Unfortunately for McCain, he has had a history of going against the conservative grain.
Coming from the Gen-X era myself, I have a mistrust of the Hippie generation. That must be why I see Obama as a breath of fresh air.
Mitt Romney sends a Yuppie cred but he was bumped out but he might be Mccains running mate.
Chem that is lot of typing there :-) Interesting read.
Didn't type, just cut and pasted from her website. She really does have a well thought out plan on things sciency. And as the one thing that will affect my life more than anything the next 5-10 years or so is the availability of funding for research, I am partial to her for it.
I could cut and paste Obama's science position paper here, but I'll let you download it if you'd like to see it. While it may not offer exact figures like Hilary's, you'll see that most of the same topics are covered. In fact, Obama's "pseudo" plan has 13 points rather than 9 so it must be more complete...
Is it the lack of specific numbers that makes this not meet the criteria to be an "actual plan"?
I could cut and paste Obama's science position paper here, but I'll let you download it if you'd like to see it. While it may not offer exact figures like Hilary's, you'll see that most of the same topics are covered. In fact, Obama's "pseudo" plan has 13 points rather than 9 so it must be more complete...
Is it the lack of specific numbers that makes this not meet the criteria to be an "actual plan"?
It's not as well thought out and Obama only posted that on his website about 3-4 months after Hilary already had hers on there. Kinda like his team was looking to her website for things he should be focusing on. Basically, he is saying similar things but only after he used a cheat sheet from Hilary.
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Just an aside, to let people know how displeased the American public is with Bush, in the last week he showed up at a Washintons Nationals baseball game to throw out the first pitch . . . . . Was met with some cheers but many many more boos.
Just an aside, to let people know how displeased the American public is with Bush, in the last week he showed up at a Washintons Nationals baseball game to throw out the first pitch . . . . . Was met with some cheers but many many more boos.
And to let everybody know how displeased the American public is with the direction of the country in general some recent polls . . . .
Just an aside, to let people know how displeased the American public is with Bush, in the last week he showed up at a Washintons Nationals baseball game to throw out the first pitch . . . . . Was met with some cheers but many many more boos.
Glad there's some good debate here. One point made by many, but especially well and frequently by Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell, is that for Hillary and Barack fans, you need to realize that one of them will lose. While many feel strongly about one of them, there needs to be a minimal time for being upset, and then switch allegiances, unless one really feels like John McSame, er, McCain is better than the other Dem. I'm not fond of either party, but McCain has pandered too strongly to the religious right for me to consider him. I have a preference on the Dem side, but will definitely vote for either.
The passion can be good, but if it is used to continue the disastrous policies of the last 8 years, it will have been damaging.
Glad there's some good debate here. One point made by many, but especially well and frequently by Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell, is that for Hillary and Barack fans, you need to realize that one of them will lose. While many feel strongly about one of them, there needs to be a minimal time for being upset, and then switch allegiances, unless one really feels like John McSame, er, McCain is better than the other Dem. I'm not fond of either party, but McCain has pandered too strongly to the religious right for me to consider him. I have a preference on the Dem side, but will definitely vote for either.
I do agree with you in theory.....but it is hard when you have invested so much time, effort, and just personal energy into the Obama campaign. I took Election Day off of work to be an Observer (generally, this is for lawyer volunteers), spent many hours on the phone, spent time convincing others to vote for him...all whilst working and being a mom to a 2-yr-old.
In the meantime, I have seen one of my (former) role models, Hillary Clinton, show her true side, and I have become disgusted by her dirty antics and behavior (her admitted "kitchen sink" tactics). She thinks she is entitled to the nomination. She would have never come this far if she didn't have her last name. Several months ago, I would have voted for Sen Clinton if she had become the nominee -- but now, it would really disgust me and hurt me to vote for her. From my viewpoint, she has lost my respect, and I cannot vote for someone who I do not respect. I also have a good friend who is close to the Obama campaign (is a lawyer for it)....and I feel like I have gotten to "know" Sen Obama through him -- though I have never met Obama myself. But....somehow, I have gotten wrapped up in his campaign and I feel like it is do-or-die.
So...just wanted to post that to give my perspective. I feel betrayed by Clinton. If Obama fails to get the nomination, I will feel very, very lost.....and I really do not know what I would do come November.
Again, the above is just my opinion. Obviously, others will disagree -- I know that. But just wanted to give my perspective.
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If nothing else, it's good to see people having passionate debates. I feel like I can't keep up with my own country's politics anymore. I happened across an editorial today that astounded me. There are mumurs for Condoleezza Rice, US Secretary of State, to be the Republican candidate for vice president.
I saw that rumor yesterday on CNN. That would definitely be interesting
with a possible black presidential candidate.
Up until this point, I thought it would be Mitt Romney.
I don't see Mcain getting in bed (figuratively) with a major instigator of the war in Iraq. I think he is walking a fine line already in his position of being a supporter of staying in Iraq but criticizing the administration for their handling of the post invasion. Plus, I don't see that she adds much to his negatives (he is a foreign policy expert but relatively weak on the economic issues).
If nothing else, it's good to see people having passionate debates. I feel like I can't keep up with my own country's politics anymore. I happened across an editorial today that astounded me. There are mumurs for Condoleezza Rice, US Secretary of State, to be the Republican candidate for vice president.
That would be the stupidest thing McCain could do. Remember that memo entitled "Terrorists to use planes for terrorist attacks in US" that Condi competely ignored??! Oh yeah - she's ready to "lead on Day 1." (And yes - that is totally possible, since McCain is a dinosaur. Older than T-Rex). But hey - let him go ahead and pick her. Democrats will love it. She's a bozo.
On another note -- yeah, John Stewart rocks!! Hubby and I love his show!
Plus, she's never held elected office in her life and never been through a campaign and had her life investigated to the level that it would be in this election.
sorry, I've not been following this thread at all, but a friend of mine in central Pennsylvania is a musician (his name is Earl Pickens) and he made the most hillarious pro-Obama song and video:
it's been picked up by the Daily Kos and is now a big hit.
Whether you're pro or contra, enjoy the song!
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John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has “evolved,” yet he’s continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1
According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain “will make Cheney look like Gandhi.”2
His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3
McCain opposes a woman’s right to choose. He said, “I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned.”4
The Children’s Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children’s health care bill last year, then defended Bush’s veto of the bill.5
He’s one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a “second job” and skip their vacations.6
Many of McCain’s fellow Republican senators say he’s too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: “The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He’s erratic. He’s hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.”7
McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8
McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his “spiritual guide,” Rod Parsley, believes America’s founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a “false religion.” McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God’s punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church “the Antichrist” and a “false cult.”9
He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10
original sources for the above can be found by clicking to the original article.
SIX days ahead of the North Carolina primary comes a story of real sleaze—not Jeremiah Wright-style buffoonery, but Nixon-style illegality designed to dupe and disenfranchise voters—that should surprise precisely nobody who has been following and covering this campaign.
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