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I don't think UKIP will win and I don't see the UK pulling out of the EU either.

But the way things are going, the EU could unravel anyway. You either are a trading block, or you are a federated union. We're kind of in a half-way house inching towards federation, but I think people have lost the stomach for it. Even the Germans are having second thoughts about paying for the lazy southerners.

I don't think calling the southerners lazy is fair. Not in connection with the EU anyway and certainly not in a comparison of ways of life. Each nation is a nation of different mentalities and these are to be seen in that which we call 'lifestyles'. The European southerners, generally haven't had a desire to be 'efficient' in the sense that we understand it. Nobody ever challenged them to 'have a dream' and own stuff.


Except of course the EU, who,m once in power, (unelected), bombarded these then still stable countries with billions of Euros telling them to build motorways, airports, factories, ports, to leave their traditions behind, to grow, expand and be bountiful to the tax man - but it's not as easy as that. As these countries (including Eire by the way) found out too late.


One of the forces which grew as a result of a too fast wished-for development is UKIP and this morning's result.


This'll rock the boat.
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Old 21.11.2014, 11:44
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I don't think calling the southerners lazy is fair. Not in connection with the EU anyway and certainly not in a comparison of ways of life. Each nation is a nation of different mentalities and these are to be seen in that which we call 'lifestyles'. The European southerners, generally haven't had a desire to be 'efficient' in the sense that we understand it. Nobody ever challenged them to 'have a dream' and own stuff.
I'm not sure I buy into that. the percentage of home ownership is higher in Spain than it is in Germany for example, and the average level of personal savings is also high, and this despite low average salaries. So I would not agree that Spaniards do not have a mentality that supports the accumulation of wealth.

I have a holiday home in Spain which i bought almost 2 years ago and I have had it totally renovated. I was extremely impressed by the work morale of the workers there. In contrast to the UK, where a workmen who says he will come tomorrow may or may not turn up some time during the next two weeks, and the first thing he'll do is have a tea break, these Spanish workers always came at the exact time they announced, worked hard and fast, didn't take excessive breaks or excessively waste material and cleaned up after they had finished which you can't exactly say of UK workmen. And to boot it all, they always completed the work to the initial estimate rarther inventing excuses why the price was going up.
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Old 23.11.2014, 05:09
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I'm not sure I buy into that. the percentage of home ownership is higher in Spain than it is in Germany for example, and the average level of personal savings is also high, and this despite low average salaries. So I would not agree that Spaniards do not have a mentality that supports the accumulation of wealth.

I have a holiday home in Spain which i bought almost 2 years ago and I have had it totally renovated. I was extremely impressed by the work morale of the workers there. In contrast to the UK, where a workmen who says he will come tomorrow may or may not turn up some time during the next two weeks, and the first thing he'll do is have a tea break, these Spanish workers always came at the exact time they announced, worked hard and fast, didn't take excessive breaks or excessively waste material and cleaned up after they had finished which you can't exactly say of UK workmen. And to boot it all, they always completed the work to the initial estimate rarther inventing excuses why the price was going up.

Portugal, Spain and Greece, and hopefully Italy as well, had to improve their structures due to the crisis in an unprecedented way. They WILL overcome, and then be much stronger than in the past. The Job of course takes years and not just months
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Old 23.11.2014, 20:16
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Another small victory for UKIP by winning Rochester and gains second elected MP.
Cool, BREXIT will be exiting.
Or a Labour win (aided by the anti-Europhobes voting for Labour) will be exiting too.
Anything but Cameron.
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Old 24.11.2014, 03:37
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Cool, BREXIT will be exiting.
Or a Labour win (aided by the anti-Europhobes voting for Labour) will be exiting too.
Anything but Cameron.


They can return into EFTA
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Old 24.11.2014, 12:47
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They can return into EFTA
Except that would require them to comply with the EEA agreement, which the site points out:

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Old 24.11.2014, 16:00
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They can return into EFTA
It's not what they want.
I think I wrote this already: what the UK wants does not exist yet.
The least integrated country today (Switzerland) is obliged to let every European citizen (except for extended deadlines for specific countries) move to Switzerland and start working here freely.
UKIP and part of the Tories want every single person to go through an application.
Thus they basically want the UK as integrated in Europe as Albania.
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Except that would require them to comply with the EEA agreement, which the site points out:

For comparison, Switzerland is a full member of EFTA, which at present roughly is Norway&Switzerland
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It's not what they want.
I think I wrote this already: what the UK wants does not exist yet.
The least integrated country today (Switzerland) is obliged to let every European citizen (except for extended deadlines for specific countries) move to Switzerland and start working here freely.
UKIP and part of the Tories want every single person to go through an application.
Thus they basically want the UK as integrated in Europe as Albania.


In reality, Switzerland is better integrated into organized Europe than many EU member countries. It is a full member of countless European organisations
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

With UKIP canvassing in many seats in the next UK election on 7th May 2015,
Channel 4 TV has made a Docudrama" which is transmitting on Monday evening at 10pm Swiss time. It might be amusing, or it might be worrying!

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-...first-100-days
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