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But it's not, really.
or is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_dictatorship

weak impeachment laws and virtual impossibility of getting a government out during its term no matter what they do, the description is not far off the mark.
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Ukip scraps 'carnival' to prove it's not racist after steel band refuses to play in front of 'Love Colour' sign and Farage stays away

"Nigel Farage's latest attempt to prove Ukip is not racist descended into farce today when a steel band refused to play at a bizarre 'Carnival' in Croydon.... as protesters clashed with party members and Mr Farage failed to turn up, musicians booked to play complained they did not know it involved Ukip - and packed up and left.... Ukip council candidate Winston McKenzie described Croydon as unsafe and 'a dump' ... Mr McKenzie said Mr Farage would not be attending because as a family man and party leader 'certain situations you have to avoid'"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_McKenzie

Nigel Farage fails to show as Ukip 'carnival' ends with Winston McKenzie calling Croydon an "absolute dump"

"Winston McKenzie, the party’s Commonwealth spokesman and a candidate in South Norwood at Thursday’s local election, booked the band. ... when it became apparent that Mr Farage was not going to turn up, Mr McKenzie received a phone call from Ukip head office telling him “that’s it” and to stop talking to the press..."

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Seriously, there is hope.
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Old 20.05.2014, 22:27
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

Thing is, amidst all the screaming of 'racists' (which they aren't I would say they are nationalists surely ? They don't like people from certain countries, not certain races) ukip continues to be relatively popular. The more the other parties shout that their supporters are 'closet racists' the more they will motivate them to stay with their political direction.

Norman Tebbit said it well on the subject recently quote "if I owned a shop and saw my customers walking past to a shop next door outside, I would not run into the street and curse them".

The fact of the matter is many people share ukip's primary concern about immigration and the other parties should be promoting their policies on that topic to win back support and not demonizing their opponents which will do no good.

What concerns me is the other stuff ukip have as policy like anti gay marriage and scaling back of welfare are getting missed in all this, hey are the ones that would concern me if they got anywhere near power.
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Thing is, amidst all the screaming of 'racists' (which they aren't I would say they are nationalists surely ? They don't like people from certain countries, not certain races) ukip continues to be relatively popular. The more the other parties shout that their supporters are 'closet racists' the more they will motivate them to stay with their political direction.

Norman Tebbit said it well on the subject recently quote "if I owned a shop and saw my customers walking past to a shop next door outside, I would not run into the street and curse them".

The fact of the matter is many people share ukip's primary concern about immigration and the other parties should be promoting their policies on that topic to win back support and not demonizing their opponents which will do no good.

What concerns me is the other stuff ukip have as policy like anti gay marriage and scaling back of welfare are getting missed in all this, hey are the ones that would concern me if they got anywhere near power.
neatly timed from raging leftie The Guardian, is a poll shows that shows exactly what is happening:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...farage-attacks
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Old 21.05.2014, 14:15
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....The fact of the matter is many people share ukip's primary concern about immigration and the other parties should be promoting their policies on that topic to win back support and not demonizing their opponents which will do no good.
I would argue that UKIP's major concern is the EU, with immigration a close second. But that's just nitpicking, I suppose.
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why-people-will-be-voting-for-ukip-this-thursday/

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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

It's pretty shocking for us to see what's happening in the UK, I just hope we will return their "favours", somehow.

Yesterday the Poles, today it's Romanians and Bulgarians....so much for the proverbial tolerance.

There are no more than 140 000 immigrants from my country living in the UK, as far as I know. I really, really hope that only a few people will wish to live there, for their own sake. It must be horrible.
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Old 21.05.2014, 15:30
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

I think you can see parallels between what is happening in the UK and also with Switzerland.

I think people are tolerant of a degree of immigration, but when they consider the pace of immigration to be too fast and the level of immigration to be too much, then they will be concerned.

Foreigners here already have a bad reputation when it comes to crime, social benefits, etc. It is no different in the UK. While these people are no doubt in the minority, unfortunately, their actions reflect on the rest of the immigrant population and have an impact.

I think Switzerland was right to take control of immigration to enable them to control the pace. If nothing else, the inflows were happening ahead of the infrastructure to deal with this and if the inflows are just temporary, a bust could follow the boom.

IMO, the UK would be better off economically outside of the EU retaining only the free trade aspects.
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It's pretty shocking for us to see what's happening in the UK, I just hope we will return their "favours", somehow.

Yesterday the Poles, today it's Romanians and Bulgarians....so much for the proverbial tolerance.

There are no more than 140 000 immigrants from my country living in the UK, as far as I know. I really, really hope that only a few people will wish to live there, for their own sake. It must be horrible.
As opposed to the SVP here? UKIP posters are chicken feed compared to some of the stuff the SVP put up.

People are turning to UKIP for exactly the same reason people vote for the SVP here - recent unprecedented levels of immigration that voters perceive to be a threat to their jobs and quality of life. People vote for the SVP and UKIP not because they're Nazis, but because they see a party who is prepared to address their concerns rather than tiptoeing around this important issue.
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IMO, the UK would be better off economically outside of the EU retaining only the free trade aspects.
But you can't have all the benefits without having not even one less pleasant aspect of the whole affair. People from the Eastern part are worried about their countries being taken over (like in ownership) by the big Western companies, at a derisory price. Local companies kicked out by the Western ones, because they have all the advantages possible. We would also need a bit of protectionism, that's just not possible anymore. Mass immigration is an unfortunate consequence of many factors, first of all lack of jobs in your country, or lack of decent salaries. All foreign companies want to maximise their profits at the cost of the locals, and today they are totally free to do that.
I don't know what's best for the UK, but I hope you'll get what you really want - out of E.U., I think it would be better for everybody.
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As opposed to the SVP here? UKIP posters are chicken feed compared to some of the stuff the SVP put up.

People are turning to UKIP for exactly the same reason people vote for the SVP here - recent unprecedented levels of immigration that voters perceive to be a threat to their jobs and quality of life. People vote for the SVP and UKIP not because they're Nazis, but because they see a party who is prepared to address their concerns rather than tiptoeing around this important issue.
One of the significant differences between UKIP and SVP is that SVP has lots of people who lead big companies and understand how the business world works and what it needs to work even better. UKIP embraces mostly populist economic policies.

SVP is also a lot smarter at playing the media and at strategically handling public debate. They can play at being the blundering fool when and as it suits them as part of an overriding strategy. UKIP on the other hand are the blundering fool.
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As opposed to the SVP here? UKIP posters are chicken feed compared to some of the stuff the SVP put up.

People are turning to UKIP for exactly the same reason people vote for the SVP here - recent unprecedented levels of immigration that voters perceive to be a threat to their jobs and quality of life. People vote for the SVP and UKIP not because they're Nazis, but because they see a party who is prepared to address their concerns rather than tiptoeing around this important issue.
Really???? From which point of view are you talking now? Or I suppose Romanians and Bulgarians are fair game.
See, that's the difference, SVP is against mass immigration in general.
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Really???? From which point of view are you talking now? Or I suppose Romanians and Bulgarians are fair game.
See, that's the difference, SVP is against mass immigration in general.
Are you for real? I guess Ivan F. the rapist and the minaret campaign just passed you by.
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Are you for real? I guess Ivan F. the rapist and the minaret campaign just passed you by.
They were ugly propaganda pieces, but not nearly as ugly as ukip rhetorics.

I know many of you are British citizens with a foreign background, how could you possibly not see what's wrong. Do you think you're going to be treated better because we're being treated worse? Ukip managed to sneakily attract people of certain descent, it's shocking how everyone wants an exchange, not a change.

Anyhow, as much as I personally want people get what they wish for - out of E.U., frankly, sadly, that's not going to happen. Economically won't make any sense, because there's no way you'd have the best economic deals without freedom of movement.
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