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It is funny how people want to eat their cake and still have it...
It's funny how people think the rest of the EU doesn't gain from trading with a market of 60 million just of the European coast.

As the UK runs a trade deficit with the EU it would very much be in the interest of the EU to negotiate a trade deal with the UK if it leaves. The WTO might something to say about it too.
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Old 22.05.2014, 17:13
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They were ugly propaganda pieces, but not nearly as ugly as ukip rhetorics.

I know many of you are British citizens with a foreign background, how could you possibly not see what's wrong. Do you think you're going to be treated better because we're being treated worse? Ukip managed to sneakily attract people of certain descent, it's shocking how everyone wants an exchange, not a change.

Anyhow, as much as I personally want people get what they wish for - out of E.U., frankly, sadly, that's not going to happen. Economically won't make any sense, because there's no way you'd have the best economic deals without freedom of movement.






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Old 22.05.2014, 17:24
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Are you comparing an election campaign to a referendum campaign?
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

Regardless, UKip and UDC both appeal to the disgruntled, mistrustful, frustrated, fed up members of society (and sometimes for very good reasons), but they appeal to people's basic instincts, not reason or constructive thinking. I find it shocking that either's messages seek for a scapegoat...Are we ever going to learn from history??
Even Maggie, not the most fervent Europhile, had understood what was at stake with the EU. Of all people, she could have pulled the U.K. out and she never did, I wonder why.
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Old 22.05.2014, 20:08
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Regardless, UKip and UDC both appeal to the disgruntled, mistrustful, frustrated, fed up members of society (and sometimes for very good reasons), but they appeal to people's basic instincts, not reason or constructive thinking.
I disagree.

UKIP are just plain batshit crazy. There's really not much more to be said.

SVP do not appeal to basic instincts in the same way. They appeal to real issues and fears and sometimes paint them with a brush that's a bit too broad and caricaturesque, but the underlying issues are very real.

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I find it shocking that either's messages seek for a scapegoat...Are we ever going to learn from history??
Have you considered that sometimes a scapegoat isn't a scapegoat but genuinely part of the problem. If the SVP blames the government and the political class and the media, this is sometimes scapegoating but sometimes its for things they really did.

Besides which, what about the other parties who scapegoat and scaremonger. The Greens watched superhero movies when they were kids and saw how radiation can make you into a green monster. They then studied arts at college but are nevertheless self-declared nuclear experts and are now scaremongering the rest of us that we're living in a tsunami zone and we'll all end up like that monster if we don't replace all nuclear plants by polluting lignite plants tomorrow. Where's the difference? Somehow that's a different type of scaremongering that's OK.
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I guess that's 'NO' then - where is the option for wanting to move in with Lenny Henry?

Anyone seen the 'ad' for the Hôtel chain with Lenny in bed 'YOU KIP' (oops just seen Rob posted it earlier- brilliant).

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Regardless, UKip and UDC both appeal to the disgruntled, mistrustful, frustrated, fed up members of society .
All this campaign has really sad consequences, it's not normal to be like this...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...g-restrictions

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According to the latest GMC figures, 2,140 doctors who qualified in Romania are currently in post in the UK – more than from Australia, Poland or Spain. But as the debate intensified around the lifting of working restrictions for Romanians and Bulgarians on 1 January, many medics who had lived and worked in the UK for years, have experienced an upturn in hostility.
That fragrantly contradicts the idea that immigration from EU-2 is "special".
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

UKiIP making early gains in council results and are on course to take their first seat in Westminster.
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Old 23.05.2014, 10:22
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27534191
Charm?!
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Old 23.05.2014, 10:35
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Even Maggie, not the most fervent Europhile, had understood what was at stake with the EU. Of all people, she could have pulled the U.K. out and she never did, I wonder why.
well, she actually fought for britain and negotiated hard and got a decent deal. e.g. british rebate.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...972422,00.html

the current crop of politicians don't even try:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ey--again.html
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UKiIP making early gains in council results and are on course to take their first seat in Westminster.
Nope. They're making gains in number of councillors, but don't have control of any. In order to get an MP, they'd need a concentration of support in a single constituency rather than the widespread second-place support pattern we're seeing in these elections.

Also, Brits don't take council elections particularly seriously because they think local councils don't have any power anyway. A substantial proportion of protest voters will swing back to the Big 3 at the general election.

Added to that the very real likelihood that a significant number of their new councillors will crash and burn now that they (a) have to do some work, and (b) come under much closer scrutiny for their non-EU policies.
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

The Brits - still using a 300 year old form of "democracy" that isn't.

They think they have some kind of say as to what goes on, but in truth, no one other than their corrupt politicians do. The problem in the UK has never been the foreigners or the EU, rather the homegrown laziness and "not my job" attitude by so many who spend more time whingeing about everyone else rather than getting off their butts and taking responsibility for what was once a decent nation.

Britain has what it takes when the people take notice and actively do something, like the Olympics in London, but other than that, they feed off the tabloid press and media and think its reality.
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Brilliant quote from Suzanne Evans, UKIP party spokesperson, on why they did so badly in London:

"We have difficulty appealing to the educated, cultured and young."



If nothing else, we can look forward to a steady flow of dumbarse soundbites from our newly minted local councillors.
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To put this into perspective



As opposed to

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Brilliant quote from Suzanne Evans, UKIP party spokesperson, on why they did so badly in London:

"We have difficulty appealing to the educated, cultured and young."



If nothing else, we can look forward to a steady flow of dumbarse soundbites from our newly minted local councillors.

But isn't that the same as the SVP here, their base is in the rural and uneducated.
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results don't surprise me.

i wonder if the tories will ditch the libdems and do a deal with ukip.
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results don't surprise me.

i wonder if the tories will ditch the libdems and do a deal with ukip.
Quite possibly. Farage is a Thatcherite tory at heart, probably the merest sniff of ermine should do it.
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Michael Gove has categorically ruled out an election pact with UKIP, but it's not clear that he's still got as much clout with the backbenchers as he once did - he's certainly looking less likely to be leader once Cameron falls on his sword/is stabbed in the back.

I think once the dust settles and everyone calms down a bit and realises that, despite their gains, UKIP are *still* a distant fourth so they don't really need to suck up to them, the knives will come out.
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They were ugly propaganda pieces, but not nearly as ugly as ukip rhetorics.

I know many of you are British citizens with a foreign background, how could you possibly not see what's wrong. Do you think you're going to be treated better because we're being treated worse? Ukip managed to sneakily attract people of certain descent, it's shocking how everyone wants an exchange, not a change.

Anyhow, as much as I personally want people get what they wish for - out of E.U., frankly, sadly, that's not going to happen. Economically won't make any sense, because there's no way you'd have the best economic deals without freedom of movement.
Nonsense. Both are as bad as each other.
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