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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

Agreed. So what should they do about immigration iyho?
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Old 24.05.2014, 13:13
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Agreed. So what should they do about immigration iyho?
Who's "they"?
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

UKIP aren't going to win anything. Their vote share has gone down in the past 12 months. They're a minority party representing a minority opinion.

What worries me is the the massive media hype surrounding UKIP has frightened the main parties into thinking that they have more support than they actually do - with the result that they're all lurching to the right to appeal to a noisy few. Meanwhile the rest of the electorate doesn't see politicians talking about anything that they really care about, and continue to not vote en masse.

UKIP may be necessary in a functioning democracy, but the media have a huge amount to answer for, and the mainstream parties need to show some bloody leadership.
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

The smug and complacent traditional parties in the UK you mentioned.

Must say though, that under 40% is hardly exciting and a sign of vigour for the UK electorate?!

So, YOU get elected DB- what would YOU do about immigration in the UK- or here in CH for that matter? It is not easy- so I am truly interested in how you would deal with the issue both here and there. Thanks.
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the mainstream parties need to show some bloody leadership.
Hear! Hear!
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Old 24.05.2014, 13:25
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The smug and complacent traditional parties in the UK you mentioned.

Must say though, that under 40% is hardly exciting and a sign of vigour for the UK electorate?!

So, YOU get elected DB- what would YOU do about immigration in the UK- or here in CH for that matter? It is not easy- so I am truly interested in how you would deal with the issue both here and there. Thanks.
That's completely irrelevant to this discussion. We're not talking about me, we're talking about UKIP.
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

Not relevant at all if you mention the smug and complacent parties who have caused the rise of UKIP surely? What should those parties do to stop UKIP from doing so well at next year's general elections in the UK?

We need true solutions not just rhetoric here? So what would YOU do, if you WERE them? Now would YOU show bloody leadership? Or how would you expect them to do that indeed? Otherwise it is all a bit easy for us to sit here and clap our hands, or wring them, no? Politicians are elected, not professionals- it could be you or me, if we chose to get stuck in instead of sitting on our proverbials criticising. Appendix? well no, I wouldn't even dream of trying- surgeons spend years learning how to do it safely and properly- unlike politicians who are just people like you and me, without any training whatsoever. (edited as run our of daily allowance- leave you to it therefore).

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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

This is worth a read:

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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

Seems that folk think voting for either the three main parties is just changing around the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Seems that folk think voting for either the three main parties is just changing around the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I don't think they're wrong, to be honest. As long as the main parties try desperately to be all things to all people, there's not much to choose between them. There's too many career politicians who's main aim is to get elected, and too few who have a genuine vision that they're prepared to set out and be judged upon.
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Not totally related, BUT...isn't it a bit sad to realise how the European politicians are preparing their countries for the sooner than expected - coming serious changes - competitive emerging economies like China, India, Brazil etc.? Isn't it sad that this (intra-E.U. xenophobia) is ALL they got?
Sad. Worrying.
some points should be considered

> That China and India would become economically strong was already forecast by Sven Hedin in the 1920ies/30ies in his famous book "Asien marschiert" (Asia gets marching)
> The P.R.C. may be economically important, but is a strictly regulated country and economy
> the serious changes you mention INCLUDE those countries becoming excellent markets for the European countries. Exports to Asia are now a dominant part of the exports of Swiss industry
> Africa (al parts) , the sleeping giant over decades, will, in the coming 25 years become important for the European export industry
> quite many European politicians are not just working for these changes but even hoping that these changes get up as soon as possible. And most politicians are NOT xenophobe. The xenophobe parties all over Europe have a market of between 20 and 30 percent
> UKIP however is the first UK party taking position against the E.U. and so may push the Tories out of the governing role, as the Tories over decades tried to serve the xenophobe-antiEU folks
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Do you feel exactly the same about the SVP/UDC? Just out of interest?
How would you feel when the EDL and/or NF present candidates for elections- will you welcome that as a good thing? Again, just out of interest.
Of course the voting system and direct democracy of inititiatives, etc, means that the effect/results are quite different in both countries.
AND Switzerland has a principle of PROPORTIONAL voting and not of MAJORZ as in Britain. In Switzerland, a party which gets 42% of the votes for parliament will NOT have a majority. But between 40 and 44 % .

Tony Benn, in one of his last interviews, explained that the UK still does not have any security valve to keep wins of winners in check as there are in Switzerland and Germany, described by Thomas Jefferson and Henri Dufour as "checks and balances", or by Richard Nixon as "the intentionally and deliberately complicated process". Tony Benn urged Britain to have a system where every county would send two delegates into the House of Lords, and each county to send delegates in accordance with its population to the Lower House
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

22out of 33 Eurosceptic MEPs are British. That's a pretty hard pill to swallow.
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24 MEP's now, truly fascinating.
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22out of 33 Eurosceptic MEPs are British. That's a pretty hard pill to swallow.
Looking at France also, and who's going to indirectly influence our lives....I want out of E.U. Now. Swiss citizenship was never more appealing.
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

Latest on the voting so far:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27559714
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AND Switzerland has a principle of PROPORTIONAL voting and not of MAJORZ as in Britain. In Switzerland, a party which gets 42% of the votes for parliament will NOT have a majority. But between 40 and 44 % .

Tony Benn, in one of his last interviews, explained that the UK still does not have any security valve to keep wins of winners in check as there are in Switzerland and Germany, described by Thomas Jefferson and Henri Dufour as "checks and balances", or by Richard Nixon as "the intentionally and deliberately complicated process". Tony Benn urged Britain to have a system where every county would send two delegates into the House of Lords, and each county to send delegates in accordance with its population to the Lower House
Unfortunately that would probably mean London would have more than it's fair share in a lower house.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_counties
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

France and the UK are excited with the many anti EU, right wing leaning votes, but there remains a solid large number of seats held by pro European Union, the EPP and social parties, SOC

http://www.bbc.com/news/events/vote2014/eu-election-results

The UK conservative Foreign Secretary William Hague says that, as with all election statistics, there are many ways of looking at the result. He says the Conservatives are "only" 3% down on five years ago and says that they are only just behind Labour, in contrast to past European elections when the opposition party, whoever it is, has always "romped home". "So these are very creditable results, from the Conservative point of view," he says.
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22out of 33 Eurosceptic MEPs are British. That's a pretty hard pill to swallow.
14 will be from the French National Front. Figures don't add up, but what's certain is that stupidity knows no borders! I am ashamed of the votes from my two countries.
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