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Old 03.05.2013, 00:22
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Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

I don't really follow UK politics anymore (been out of the country too long), but like many Brits in CH I'm able to work here so easily because we are in EU.


If they won, and left EU, would we all be screwed?
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Old 03.05.2013, 00:24
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

The UK did not sign up to the Schengen Agreement?
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Old 03.05.2013, 00:32
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

Fair point, changed to EU. Same underlying question
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Old 03.05.2013, 00:35
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

There is more chance of Mrs Thatcher coming back for a 4th term in Downing Street
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Old 03.05.2013, 01:44
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There is more chance of Mrs Thatcher coming back for a 4th term in Downing Street
Not sure which would be worse
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

If it happened, English citizens would have their B permits revoked and they would be reissued with 1 year B permits probably, maybe treated like EU8 guys'n'girls. Limit's, quotas, etc.
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Old 03.05.2013, 07:15
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

The threat to leave the EU by the UK is actually only a political convenience to win votes they wont actually do it because it would be economic suicide
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Old 03.05.2013, 08:27
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The threat to leave the EU by the UK is actually only a political convenience to win votes they wont actually do it because it would be economic suicide
As indeed it was for Norway and Switzerland??

As Switzerland is not in the EU, but has admirably demonstrated how to get the most out of it, why shouldn't the UK do the same? There should be a vote on the EU by 2017 in the UK regardless of UKIP...
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If it happened, English citizens would have their B permits revoked and they would be reissued with 1 year B permits probably, maybe treated like EU8 guys'n'girls. Limit's, quotas, etc.
Does that mean the Scottish and Welsh would be ok?
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Old 03.05.2013, 10:03
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

If the UK leaves the EU, they will have the option of negotiating bilateral agreements just like CH has done.
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Old 03.05.2013, 12:35
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

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As indeed it was for Norway and Switzerland??

As Switzerland is not in the EU, but has admirably demonstrated how to get the most out of it, why shouldn't the UK do the same? There should be a vote on the EU by 2017 in the UK regardless of UKIP...
I think the big difference is Switzerland and Norway were never in the EU to start with, which puts them in a stronger negotiating position. I'm actually a fan of CH not being in the EU, but I've yet to hear anybody put forward a viable exit plan for the UK that is grounded in reality and not wishful thinking. I suspect the UK would not be very popular in the EU if it were to withdraw (including its funding), and to expect any concessions in return is fantasy
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Old 03.05.2013, 12:39
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

and leaving the EU does not mean that you leave the EEA/EFTA

http://www.efta.int/eea/policy-areas/persons.aspx
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Old 03.05.2013, 13:42
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

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I think the big difference is Switzerland and Norway were never in the EU to start with, which puts them in a stronger negotiating position. I'm actually a fan of CH not being in the EU, but I've yet to hear anybody put forward a viable exit plan for the UK that is grounded in reality and not wishful thinking. I suspect the UK would not be very popular in the EU if it were to withdraw (including its funding), and to expect any concessions in return is fantasy
It is funny how people want to eat their cake and still have it...
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Old 03.05.2013, 14:08
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It is funny how people want to eat their cake and still have it...
what is the point of having cake if you can't eat it?
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Old 03.05.2013, 21:34
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

I saw a few of these c...people on the news earlier on. Apparently they're not racist; they want to stop everyone coming in, no matter their skin colour, religion, or anything else, it's about "space". So presumably if they do get into power all we foreign resident Brits would also be persona non grata. If it's really about space I suggest we shoot all the UKIP members at the moon.

By the way, was Farage bullied at school or what?

Because if not then he bloody well should have been.
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

If the Scots vote out of the U.K., then Nigel Farage will only be leading the Englip party anyway! Or Englwelship, and that says it all!
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UKIP = BNP Lite
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

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As indeed it was for Norway and Switzerland??

As Switzerland is not in the EU, but has admirably demonstrated how to get the most out of it, why shouldn't the UK do the same? There should be a vote on the EU by 2017 in the UK regardless of UKIP...
Because the UK would leave the EU, and therefore all treaties would need to be renegotiated. That negotiation would depend on the EU and its members willigness to be nice - i'm sure there'll be no problems in that sense, but depending on the timing that could potentially leave brits in a legal limbo for a while.
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Old 14.05.2013, 12:51
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UKIP = BNP Lite
That's actually an extremely ignorant statement. From what I have seen, UKIP has supporters covering quite a wide range of the political spectrum, from far right loons to tradtional former Labour voters (ie far-left loons ). They will never get into government, but they have garnered enough support for the big 3 parties to sit up and take notice
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Old 14.05.2013, 13:13
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Re: Theoretical UKIP win impact on expats in CH?

i think the british had a very different idea of europe than the french and germans. a cooperation of independent states, rather than an ever closer union leading to a federation of europe.

for me, having a free trade union, and the free movement of capital and people is enough. no need even for a customs union.

harmonisation should take place on a case by case basis and with unanimous support, not QMV.

i think the swiss model is a good one.
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