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I am sorry if I am quite direct: Do you have any idea why people flee from Eritrea? The government claims for decades to be in a state of emergency (because it feels threatened by the bigger and stronger neighbour Ethiopia). As a result did they introduce a military service. The difference to the Swiss one is that it is unlimited - so you can serve your country for your entire life... and it is not limited to actual army or security work. If you are a farmer is there a good chance that you do your farming as a "soldier" serving your local general who takes all the profits. It's essentially a completely defunct fascist state and normal salaries and tax tables don't exist anymore - people are slave-like forced labour.

Those men collecting the tax in Switzerland and elsewhere? They do not do so from Eritrean citizens who are happy to support the motherland - they extort it from refugees with threats of things that might happen to their family members back home.

The country is one of the worst places on the planet for a very long time now. Too bad that they don't have oil fields otherwise we would bring them democracy (TM).
It depends whose story is to be believed. Danish and Norwegian reports claim that the military draft situation has improved, i.e., 18 month draft period, and that Eritreans can return to the country by paying the 2% diaspora tax and signing a letter of reconciliation. These are some passages from a BBC report:

"A Danish Immigration Service report, from November 2014, suggested that Eritrea's policy towards returnees had become more lenient. It was based on a fact-finding mission, but did not name its sources.
It quoted the Eritrean Foreign Ministry as saying Eritreans abroad could now "regularise their relationship with the authorities" by paying a 2% income tax at an Eritrean embassy and signing an apology letter.
"This has been done by a number of people and they have returned to Eritrea without any complications," the report said, quoting a ministry statement." "

"The Norwegian government sent its own assessment team to Eritrea. It was led by Norway's Deputy Minister of Justice Joeran Kellmyr.
Speaking to the BBC, Mr Kellmyr said he had received an assurance from Eritrea's foreign minister that national service would be reduced to 18 months.
"It's important for everyone," said Mr Kellmyr.
"If national service is reduced, according to human rights standards, this could mean that a lot of Eritrean people don't any more have the right to seek asylum." "

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33446423

Eritreans abroad seem to be more economic migrants than anything else. In the case of Switzerland, since 91% of the Eritreans live on social welfare, the Eritrean diaspora tax is a form of foreign aid from the Swiss taxpayer to the Eritrean government.
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Eritreans abroad seem to be more economic migrants than anything else. In the case of Switzerland, since 91% of the Eritreans live on social welfare, the Eritrean diaspora tax is a form of foreign aid from the Swiss taxpayer to the Eritrean government.
That is somewhere between very naive and pretty cruel.
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That is somewhere between very naive and pretty cruel.
The Eritrean Honorary Consul to Switzerland, Toni Locher, wrote in the Schweiz am Sonntag that the Eritreans in Switzerland are part of an Africa-wide emigration resulting from a lack of work and no future there. But the trip to Europe is the hell rather than life in Eritrea.

As he thinks that only about 15% of the Eritreans in Switzerland will successfully integrate and the other 85% will remain on social welfare, he proposes that they be allowed to work and save in Switzerland to prepare for their subsequent return to Eritrea.

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Also, it is in an Eritrean refugee's best interest to present the country in the worst possible light as this increases his chance to obtain asylum. Frankfurter Rundschau wrote, as quoted in Bayern Kurier:

"Exil-Eritreer haben ein Interesse daran, das Land so schlecht wie möglich darzustellen: Hängt doch der Erfolg ihrer Asylanträge vom schlechten Image ihrer Heimat ab."

https://www.bayernkurier.de/inland/6...-am-roten-meer

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That is somewhere between very naive and pretty cruel.
Could you explain your comment please? What exactly is naive and what exactly is cruel about it ?
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Could you explain your comment please? What exactly is naive and what exactly is cruel about it ?
They are coming from a country with one of the most cruel dictatorship globally. Deducting that they are economic migrants and not real refugees based on the fact that they are low educated and usually end up being on social wellfare is frankly rather daft - just because you cannot make a living in a new country does not mean you are not a real refugee.

I would actually make the exact opposite claim: the refugees who integrate the easiest and have not problem finding work are much more likely to be economic migrants as they have a much stronger economic incentive to come...
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They are coming from a country with one of the most cruel dictatorship globally. Deducting that they are economic migrants and not real refugees based on the fact that they are low educated and usually end up being on social wellfare is frankly rather daft - just because you cannot make a living in a new country does not mean you are not a real refugee.
No but if you pass through other safe countries it does call into question what it is you are actually seeking since security is supposedly the purpose of political asylum. Once you do it several times then indeed rationally speaking you are no longer an asylum seeker but a fraudster.

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I would actually make the exact opposite claim: the refugees who integrate the easiest and have not problem finding work are much more likely to be economic migrants as they have a much stronger economic incentive to come...
So you think asylum seekers should make no effort to integrate and therefore guarentee indefinitely their social exclusion ???
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