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Old 06.06.2015, 22:09
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Re: Turkish Spring?

and a good (surprisingly) Fox news article here.
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Old 07.06.2015, 18:18
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Stockholm Mayor and designated election observer to Turkey, Ann-Margarethe Livh, has been left in shock after witnessing cheating and then being threatened by soldiers holding automatic weapons in Turkey’s southeastern province of Bingöl.

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Pity they resort to these methods but not surprising
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Old 07.06.2015, 19:41
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Is here a good place to follow the election results?

So far looks very interesting
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Old 07.06.2015, 20:14
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Re: Turkish Spring?

With two thirds of the votes counted the AKP are running at 41% and the HDP at 12%
Assuming no last minute surprises the non-AKP parties should form a coalition with specific aims like;
  • Reduce the hurdle to enter parliament from 10% to 3%
  • Order Erdogan's palace to be demolished
  • Improve the secular side of Turkey, for example, reduce the religious schools started by Erdogan
  • Restart the corruption enquiry and reinstate the police and prosecutors who were fired &&&&&
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With two thirds of the votes counted the AKP are running at 41% and the HDP at 12%
Assuming no last minute surprises the non-AKP parties should form a coalition with specific aims like;
  • Reduce the hurdle to enter parliament from 10% to 3%
  • Order Erdogan's palace to be demolished
  • Improve the secular side of Turkey, for example, reduce the religious schools started by Erdogan
  • Restart the corruption enquiry and reinstate the police and prosecutors who were fired &&&&&
With %96 of votes counted and despite various reported cases of cheating, AKP has lost the majority. The Kurdish HDP luckily made it to the parliament with around 12% of votes (despite last minute harassments leaving two dead and quite a few injured). Guess the real winners of this election are HDP and despite losing share, CHP both of which had very clean campaign against very negative odds.

Ironically, Turkish markets will open negative tomorrow, currency and bonds both selling off
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Old 08.06.2015, 13:32
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Looks like the Turkish people finally have really enough of Erdogan and his AK Party. Will his government be the next to fall?
First post in this thread - respect!

AKP are talking about calling a new election but it is hard to see what this will achieve and who could get together to form a new government.

Now people see that HDP is a viable political party they might pick up a lot more votes. It looks like only around half the Kurdish population voted for HDP so there is big scope for improvement there plus they could pick up more protest votes from liberals, women's rights, secular groups and minority groups.

The argument that Erdogan does not represent the whole country is very powerful now especially after the way he disgracefully libelled opposition groups.

Talking of whom he issued a very bland statement today here.

EU statement was issued by High Representative/Vice-President Federica Mogherini and Commissioner Johannes Hahn .

"Turkey's general election on 7 June took place with a record 86% turn out, a clear sign of strength of the Turkish democracy.
The fact that all major political parties obtained representation in the new parliament is particularly important. We look forward to hearing the OSCE/ODIHR's preliminary findings and conclusions. We now look forward to the swift formation of a new parliament and government, and to working together closely.
The coming period offers opportunities for further strengthening the EU-Turkey relationship and to advance in broadening EU-Turkey cooperation in all fields, for the benefit of all our citizens."
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Re: Turkish Spring?

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To this.

Of course, Erdogan used to be very friendly with Assad

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Old 10.06.2015, 23:53
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Re: Turkish Spring?

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Of course, Erdogan used to be very friendly with Assad
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Wonder if Erdogone's wife really likes that headscarf?
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Old 11.06.2015, 10:06
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Of course, Erdogan used to be very friendly with Assad

Erdogan used to be good friends with Assad, he is now at odds with Essed.
He is using such word games and people are not questioning the past.. it s a joke. Link here
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Tayyip the tyran had his Bulldogs having a go at the Pride yesterday in Istanbul with water canon, rubber buckets and gas..
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Tayyip the tyran had his Bulldogs having a go at the Pride yesterday in Istanbul with water canon, rubber buckets and gas..
I do not think he specifically ordered the police to gas the people in this particular demonstration but his anti-all (excluding his followers) rhetoric is giving already cruel people with sadistic character the go-ahead for such actions.
No wonder we are seeing more intolerance against non-Muslims, non-Sunni Muslims, Kurds, Turks with more western inclinations, women, girls, gays, animals, trees, ....
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Old 30.06.2015, 22:47
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Re: Turkish Spring?

From Today's Telegraph here
Should bring the HDP more votes !!

Quote "President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has authorised a change in the rules of engagement agreed by the Turkish parliament to allow the army to strike at Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil), as well as the Assad regime, according to local newspapers.


The aim is to establish a buffer zone for refugees and against Isil, but Mr Erdogan has also suggested that the main target of the intervention, if it goes ahead, will be to prevent the emergence of a Kurdish state on Turkey’s doorstep."

Not sure how legal this is as the Turkish parliament technically does not exist at the moment?
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Old 30.06.2015, 23:25
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Turkish police tries to stop Pride parade with water cannons and creates accidentally a rainbow......it's just great!

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Old 27.07.2015, 11:34
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Turkey shells Kurdish-held village in Syria although pretending they are acting against ISIS, link here.

Looks like Erdogan is cynically trying to provoke violent reactions from the Kurds in Turkey in the hope they will upset conservative voters and so improve the AKP vote in the next election.
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Turkey shells Kurdish-held village in Syria although pretending they are acting against ISIS, link here.

Looks like Erdogan is cynically trying to provoke violent reactions from the Kurds in Turkey in the hope they will upset conservative voters and so improve the AKP vote in the next election.
PKK killed two policemen in reaction to the recent suicide attack in Suruc, as they thought the two had been involved in the suicide bombing. As a consequence Erdogan had PKK military positions attacked by fighter planes, and now PKK is taking up arms again. Thanks to US support due to turkish fight agaisnt IS, Erdogan can at the same time hit the turkish kurds without facing much of an international reaction.

Renewed violence is reality already.

The kurdish party HDP didn't condemn violence yet, didn't call for peaceful reactions only. It probably has to chose to
- either condemn the violence and hope to not be banned, and be allowed to stay politically active
- not condemn and share the same fate as PKK

Since it's apparently impossible to form a government based on the results of the public vote a couple months ago, there will be a new one. Usually, the population gathers behind the leader in case of problematic/violent situation, it's standard human reaction. That means it's in Erdogan's utmost interest to foment violence, be it internal or external. In all likelihood, Erdogan will come out of this 2nd vote stronger than his party is now, especially if HDP remained below the 10% threshold.
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Old 27.07.2015, 12:37
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PKK killed two policemen in reaction to the recent suicide attack in Suruc, as they thought the two had been involved in the suicide bombing. As a consequence Erdogan had PKK military positions attacked by fighter planes, and now PKK is taking up arms again. Thanks to US support due to turkish fight agaisnt IS, Erdogan can at the same time hit the turkish kurds without facing much of an international reaction.

Renewed violence is reality already.

The kurdish party HDP didn't condemn violence yet, didn't call for peaceful reactions only. It probably has to chose to
- either condemn the violence and hope to not be banned, and be allowed to stay politically active
- not condemn and share the same fate as PKK

Since it's apparently impossible to form a government based on the results of the public vote a couple months ago, there will be a new one. Usually, the population gathers behind the leader in case of problematic/violent situation, it's standard human reaction. That means it's in Erdogan's utmost interest to foment violence, be it internal or external. In all likelihood, Erdogan will come out of this 2nd vote stronger than his party is now, especially if HDP remained below the 10% threshold.

Indeed Erdogan's path to presidency will be over an ever mounting pile of the dead bodies of his own citizens.
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Indeed Erdogan's path to presidency will be over an ever mounting pile of the dead bodies of his own citizens.
now you see why he wants every family to have 5 children
he needs martyrs to his cause
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Emergency session of the Turkish parliament today to debate the government's controversial campaign against Kurdish rebels and jihadists.

First time for many years to have a session without an AKP majority.

Interesting to see if they make any controversial (anti - Erdogan) decisions; I assume not and they would never have called the session before they had all the votes lined up to support Erdogan.

Erdogan had said Tuesday before leaving on a trip to China that it was "not possible" to carry on with a peace process in the face of the current attacks by the PKK.
He also called on parliament to strip immunity from prosecution from Kurdish lawmakers if they are linked to the militant group. Which sounds like an unsubtle attempt to get rid of some HDP MPs? "linked to the militant group" could be defined as anything!!
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Anybody know if this quote is correct; it is only posted in pro-Syrian sources.

Turkey’s former Deputy Prime Minister Abdullatif Sener criticized the policy practiced by Erdoğan which aims at destroying the whole region through coordinating and cooperating with Kings and Emirs of Gulf States.

“Erdogan bears primary responsibility for destroying Syria, Iraq, Libya and the region and he will not hesitate in drawing Turkey into a civil war while holding authority and ruling Turkey alone,” Sener said in an interview with Turkish Halk TV Channel aired Tuesday.

He described Erdogan regime’s alleged military campaign against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria “ISIS” terrorist organization as “false”, asserting that policies of Erdogan and his regime’s Premier Ahmad Dawood Oglu have no relation with humanity and Islam because they caused killing thousands of innocents .

Sener called on the Turkish people, with all their democratic and peaceful powers, to confront Erdogan’s dictatorship and authoritarian policies.
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Re: Turkish Spring?

What a clown
Women legislators are demanding that Turkey's deputy prime minister offers an apology for telling a legislator that she should be quiet because she is a woman.
Bulent Arinc told an opposition legislator who heckled him Wednesday: "Madam, shut up! As a woman you should shut up!"

Arinc was speaking at an emergency session of Turkey's parliament called to discuss terror attacks in the country. Women lawmakers protested the remark and asked for an apology.
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