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Old 03.03.2015, 22:54
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Re: NSA collecting records of all US phone calls

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Not 100% correct. And a little over-blown, IMHO.

First, to use the crypto keys, the NSA would need to have access to the mobile network from inside (in which case the mobile operator might notice). Or else set up a fake base-station ala "man in the middle" attack (in which case you can only intercept phones in a small radius of a few hundred meters).

As for payments, they normally go over SSL, which is another layer of security not involving the SIM cryto keys.
the NSA already has access on-site to mobile information. There are documentaries showing letters from the Us security services requesting access to all information passing through telecom providers. the business gives permission... (not to have their business shut down). Licences revoked. easy.

there is in fact a service, forgotten the name that lists companies that have may have recieved a gag order from the NSA. You see when you get the request a gag order comes along with it. Therefore in all of the state run and corporate owned media outlets you will never see this reported on or how many businessess have recieved the request/gag. My guess is all businesses that control or route information would have recieved this. But that is only a guess.
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Old 03.03.2015, 23:05
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the NSA already has access on-site to mobile information.
Mobile networks in all countries have a built in system for government agencies to tap calls, it's called Lawful Interception. As the name implies, it's legal (so long as the request is granted by the government).
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Mobile networks in all countries have a built in system for government agencies to tap calls, it's called Lawful Interception. As the name implies, it's legal (so long as the request is granted by the government).
Wiretapping is nothing new at all. The US actually has good legal process for wiring tapping. It is like a search warrant, and a requires a judge to approve.. These are typically used for gathering evidence that will be used prosecuting cases. I don't think this prevents law enforcement from eavesdropping without a warrant. They just won't be able to use what is collected in court.

The real power of the NSA technology is not in listening to real time conversations, its in the storage of the conversations. Some whistleblowers claim 80% of calls are stored. What this means is that the NSA can conduct focused searches of archive phone calls a person or group of people have made way in the past, scrub through its content, identify people's associations, and piece together forensic information about people, situations and events.

Yeah, if you have something to hide or have committed a crime, this NSA capability may haunt you in the future. So just be good and you'll be just fine.
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Re: NSA collecting records of all US phone calls

I hope this exonerates Edward Snowden and he can go home...

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...mment-51705331
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I hope this exonerates Edward Snowden and he can go home...

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...mment-51705331
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