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They haven't and have been voted the two most countries likely to go Nuclear on each others asses in a conflict.
Both have been having conflicts - as in non-diplomatic military exchange of fire across international borders - on a regular and ongoing basis. Yet no nuclear Armageddon so far - perhaps both are responsible enough? And do not wish to judged by those whose own sense of responsibility is highly questionable?
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There you go:
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By the way "nig" is actually the EF forums PC version of saying "fornicating" in crude.
Never heard an 'Auto' or 'Rickshaw' being called Tuk-Tuk back home. And unclejee* what is the EF Forums MacOS version of 'nig'?

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Re: India's mission to Mars

Heyyyy ... all this is happening in 'Off Topic' and not even adding to my post count !!!

I'm off, mates.
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Both have been having conflicts - as in non-diplomatic military exchange of fire across international borders - on a regular and ongoing basis. Yet no nuclear Armageddon so far - perhaps both are responsible enough? And do not wish to judged by those whose own sense of responsibility is highly questionable?
Perhaps, who cares, it's beyond the pay-grade of both you and me, but I am tired of the game of brinkmanship between nuclear powers, and as you say there is a regular exchange of fire across international borders, just needs one to up the ante.
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Re: India's mission to Mars

Looks like India is the last country you need worry about when it comes to nukes or nuclear proliferation.

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True, may be you are right, India is not as advanced as the Western World but the investment is worth the efforts and money.
Else it would be like depriving a poor child his education until he can afford to sort out his basic needs. "you think you can compete with the little brainy brats here who can afford to learn on ipads and iphones even before they learnt to use a pacifier"
How about depriving that poor little child food and shelter?
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Why explore space? A 1970 letter to a nun in Africa. http://launiusr.wordpress.com/2012/0...nun-in-africa/
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How about depriving that poor little child food and shelter?
I see your point however depriving education on the assumption it would provide food and shelter is a myopic approach. Parallely investing in his education to make him self sufficient to earn is the long term approach.
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Who said India is poor ...don't watch too many BBC documentaries which shows only 1% of the truth.....
Look what I found in the news today:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/25336770.cms
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Cast system is disgusting and should not have any place in modern society. In a way it is similar to how educated people in the west still cling on to outmoded concepts like religion, God and power of prayer.
I repeat again, the caste system is not evil per se, just as religions are not evil, per se. It is when some castes begin to feel superior and want to have more than others, that the problems start.

Can we create another thread on the caste system?
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Re: India's mission to Mars

I find it hilarious when Brits criticise India's caste system, in blissful ignorance of their own, not entirely dissimilar, class system.

But, of course, when you're in it you can't see it!
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I do feel there is latent "something" that comes out every time a poor country dares to step on rich countries shoes.
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You are spot on here. Not only a country, but sometimes even an entire region.
Every time you want to lift your forehead a bit, bang, you are poor, dirty and dishonest.
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You are spot on here. Not only a country, but sometimes even an entire region.
Every time you want to lift your forehead a bit, bang, you are poor, dirty and dishonest.
You should know your place!

Anyway, Indians and post-Ottomans alike should take comfort from these descriptions of Britain by Roman writers:

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"There are two principal races of the Britons, the Caledonians and the Maeatae, and the names of the others have been merged in these two. The Maeatae live next to the cross-wall which cuts the island in half, and the Caledonians are beyond them. Both tribes inhabit wild and waterless mountains and desolate and swampy plains, and possess neither walls, cities, nor tilled fields, but live on their flocks, wild game, and certain fruits...They dwell in tents, naked and unshod, possess their women in common, and in common rear all the offspring. Their form of rule is democratic for the most part, and they are very fond of plundering; consequently they choose their boldest men as rulers....They can endure hunger and cold and any kind of hardship; for they plunge into the swamps and exist there for many days with only their heads above water, and in the forests they support themselves upon bark and roots, and for all emergencies they prepare a certain kind of food, the eating of a small portion of which, the size of a bean, prevents them from feeling either hunger or thirst" (Roman History, LXXVII.12.1-4).
Herodian writes, as well, of Severus in Britain.
"Most of Britain is marshland because it is flooded by the continual ocean tides. The barbarians usually swim in these swamps or run along in them, submerged up to the waist. Of course, they are practically naked and do not mind the mud because they are unfamiliar with the use of clothing, and they adorn their waists and necks with iron, valuing this metal as an ornament and a token of wealth in the way that other barbarians value gold. They also tattoo their bodies with various patterns and pictures of all sorts of animals. Hence the reason why they do not wear clothes, so as not to cover the pictures on their bodies. They are very fierce and dangerous fighters, protected only by a narrow shield and a spear, with a sword slung from their naked bodies. They are not familiar with the use of breast-plates and helmets, considering them to be an impediment to crossing the marshes. Because of the thick mist which rises from the marshes, the atmosphere in this region is always gloomy" (III.14.6-8).
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/...geography.html

Those naked savages came out alright in the end, though, didn't they?
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You are spot on here. Not only a country, but sometimes even an entire region.
Every time you want to lift your forehead a bit, bang, you are poor, dirty and dishonest.
Yes, India means anyway caste, curry, crass poverty to most people in the West!
Look back a coupla thousand years and you begin to appreciate the long-term economic cycle

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Why explore space? A 1970 letter to a nun in Africa. http://launiusr.wordpress.com/2012/0...nun-in-africa/
Because discovery and exploration have driven human evolution to the point we are at now.
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Yes, India means anyway caste, curry, crass poverty to most people in the West!
Look back a coupla thousand years and you begin to appreciate the long-term economic cycle
A two-thousand year economic cycle is fine if you believe in re-incarnation but otherwise a bit rough for those born in an economic trough.
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A two-thousand year economic cycle is fine if you believe in re-incarnation but otherwise a bit rough for those born in an economic trough.
Yes, that is probably the point - Indians usually do believe in the R word, that's why the Mars mission is just a step in the right long-term direction
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Re: India's mission to Mars

Battle of India's mission to Mars is still on Already 2040 views and 98 posts... bravo
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Re: India's mission to Mars

I dont agree or subscribe to the caste system.

While the origins were well founded (to each on his/her own merit) it has become a tool for discrimination, exploitation and segregation. But in a funny way, with the rise of Identity Politics, people are more aware of their castes now than ever before.

However I dont see the relevance of the Caste System to India's decision of sending a Mars probe.

How come no one asks about income in-equality or racial segregation or racial profiling issues when US sends a space probe.

And having lived in multiple countries, I can tell you that there are always systems which segregate people into 'them vs. us'. You can look at the social mobility indicators in the UK (which school/college/uni/club did you go to). You can look at the East Asian countries (ethnic chinese vs. the local communities). You can look at the US (african americans vs Native Americans vs. the white folks). You can look within Europe itself (Eastern Europe vs. Northern Europe) etc. Even within a country people hold onto strong identity motifs (North Italy vs. South Italy etc.)

And one more thing, for all the flaws with India, it still has many things going for it.
US is still debating whether they are ready for a Woman President. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri-lanka have already had Women Leaders (some cases multiple times).
The demographic dividend is quite attractive for these countries (provided they manage it well). And the new generation that is coming up will lead to significant social change and improvements.
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