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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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Poroshenko and Putin agree on a cease-fire, on a conflict Putin is not involved in. How? Magic!

International relations devolved into mafia turf wars, that's all it really is.
Well, I love this quote (from the russian spokesman, via BBC):

"Putin and Poroshenko did not agree a ceasefire in Ukraine because Russia is not party to the conflict, they only discussed how to settle the conflict"

Nice way to contradict oneself in one sentence.... if you you're not part of the conflict, how can you settle it? Perhaps by getting involved?

In reality I've started to be quite skeptical on these kind of announcements. Thing is, the politicians hardly admit on what they actually did discuss and if or ever agreed, and when they come out to the press, their versions differ wildly. Then the press puts their spin on it so what we actually get is worth next to nothing.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

About Putin's Russia.

http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/0...-among-drunks/

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“I have no common points with Putin’s Russia, everything here is foreign to me. It became difficult for me to be here in the period of overall madness. Therefore, even though I do not intend to emigrate, naturally, I will probably start spending most of my time outside. A sober man feels uncomfortable under the same roof as drunks. I will visit periodically to see whether the binge is over. I will remain ‘part of what they call Russia,’ in this sense expatriation is definitely impossible. And Russia, which is also part of me, will not go anywhere,” notes the writer.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Quote "France has suspended its delivery of warships to Russia amid continued escalation in Ukraine, The Associated Press and others are reporting, citing a statement from the office of French President Francois Hollande. "

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/franc...#ixzz3CGw0M8LF

Problem with the sanctions is they hurt us as much, or maybe more, than the Russians

Another quote "Vladimir Putin on Wednesday laid out a seven-point ceasefire plan for Ukraine, including proposals for an international monitoring force and the establishment of a humanitarian corridor."

This is the man who said a couple of days ago that the ceasefire was an internal Ukraine matter.

Problem with a ceasefire is that everybody involved has demonstrated that they do not keep their promises.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Russia announces today that their nuclear-responsible forces are holding a major drill this month. Of course, nobody should take this statement "out of context", it has "nothing to do with Ukraine", it was "planned months in advance", "everything is normal", "these are not the droids you are looking for", etc...

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The forces responsible for Russia's strategic nuclear arsenal will conduct major exercises this month involving more than 4,000 soldiers, the Defence Ministry said on Wednesday

Supersonic MiG-31 fighter-interceptors and Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft would take part, Andreyev said, saying the scale of air power involved was unprecedented for exercises of this kind.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0GY0H620140903
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

This is claimed to be a video of Russian soldiers on holiday; no idea if it is genuine
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

There has been alot of talk about Putin's erratic behavior lately:
http://www.rferl.org/content/putins-.../26556263.html

http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/0...g-more-eratic/

I didn't think too much of it, but after seeing Putin hardly able to control himself yesterday, whimpering and crying during a public reception, it actually looks like he is not in his right mind. I mean everyone gets a little emotional during their national anthem, but he's sobbing like a little girl who just had her toy taken away. This guy should NOT be allowed anywhere near any red buttons that say "Launch" on them

http://youtu.be/Dg0Sy7NFyIM?t=50s
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

For those who speak or understand German quit well:

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitr...neues-Russland
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Just two days after Obama visits Estonia....

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"Unidentified persons coming from Russia took the freedom of an officer of Estonian Security police officer on the territory of Estonia," Estonia's state prosecutor's office announced, shortly before Russia claimed responsibility. "The officer was taken to Russia using physical force and at gunpoint."
The statement continues: "The officer was fulfilling his duties in connection to preventing a cross-border crime in taking place. The use of smoke grenades and intense interference with operative radio connections preceded the incident."
Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves tweeted almost immediately about the kidnapping, indicating that the government considers it a major incident. His government quickly summoned the Russian ambassador, and Estonia's interior minister said of the attack, "This kind of behavior is unacceptable."
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/5/6110037/...icer-kidnapped
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Ukraine and pro-Russian rebels in the east have signed a truce deal to end almost five months of fighting.
The two sides agreed to stop firing by 15:00 GMT and the truce appeared to be holding. But the rebels said the truce had not changed their policy of advocating splitting from Ukraine.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29082574
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Vlad... (as probably most so-termed) "world" leaders and shakers are generally sociopaths.

Stalin, Hitler, Thatcher, Bush, Blair, Gadhaffi, Sadddam, Pol-Pot.....

The list is endless. They will sacrifice millions.....billions to achieve their objective.

Please feel free to add your nominations to this hall of fame.

I'm sure that everybody will have their favourites.

Hopefully the human race will eventually devise an infallible method to detect and destroy these monsters in the womb.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Sigh! Just what game is that tiresome little nit Putin playing?
Hours after Obama promised the Baltic states that NATO would defend them as if they where Berlin or Paris or London. Russians have "abducted" a high ranking Estonian officer and dragged him onto Russian territory.
This is after Russian jets "wandered" into Finnish airspace.
After stoking the so-called "greater Russian empire" could it be that runaway nationalism is gaining momentum or is Russia economically so against the wall and that the country is at breaking point that Putin sees no other option but aggression, even at the risk of war between Russia and the US?
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

..ah! Just seen the other posts.
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Sigh! Just what game is that tiresome little nit Putin playing?
Hours after Obama promised the Baltic states that NATO would defend them as if they where Berlin or Paris or London. Russians have "abducted" a high ranking Estonian officer and dragged him onto Russian territory.
This is after Russian jets "wandered" into Finnish airspace.
After stoking the so-called "greater Russian empire" could it be that runaway nationalism is gaining momentum or is Russia economically so against the wall and that the country is at breaking point that Putin sees no other option but aggression, even at the risk of war between Russia and the US?
The Russian and the Estonian sides of the story are different in several important ways
The Russians say that he was captured on the Russian side of the border, with spying cameras. Russian officials believe the operation was some sort of covert espionage operation carried out by Estonia’s Security Police on behalf of NATO.

Hours after Obama promised the Baltic states that NATO will bring more troops there and would defend them against the Russian agression, incidents on the Russian border have started. By the way, at least for now Ukraine has stopped the fighting. Seems like Estonia will be the next victim of "the Russian agression"...
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The Russian and the Estonian sides of the story are different in several important ways
The Russians say that he was captured on the Russian side of the border, with spying cameras. Russian officials believe the operation was some sort of covert espionage operation carried out by Estonia’s Security Police on behalf of NATO.
Russia's side of the story is always different. Putin denied Russian troops were in Crimea (until after, then admitted it), Putin denies Russian troops are currently in Ukraine (despite dozens being captured and "hidden" funerals in Russia), Russia says McDonald's in Russia were closed for "health reasons" (and not sanctions), that Ukrainian pilot Savchenko held in a Russian jail "defected" to Russian soil (and not captured in Ukraine and sent there by DNR), etc... the list is very long. Like any "he said, she said" issue, I guess it comes down to who you believe. And right now I have a hard time believing anything coming out of Putin's mouth.




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Hours after Obama promised the Baltic states that NATO will bring more troops there and would defend them against the Russian agression, incidents on the Russian border have started. By the way, at least for now Ukraine has stopped the fighting. Seems like Estonia will be the next victim of "the Russian agression"...
Yes, sounds like typical Putin "thuggery". Obama says to Estonia "don't worry I got your back" to give nervous Estonians a "warm fuzzy", then Putin quickly reminds them in a cold way that they should not to be feeling to "warm" or "fuzzy" as long as his mafia state is next door. I guess a severed hose head in Ilves' bed will be next...
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Yes, sounds like typical Putin "thuggery". Obama says to Estonia "don't worry I got your back" to give nervous Estonians a "warm fuzzy", then Putin quickly reminds them in a cold way that they should not to be feeling to "warm" or "fuzzy" as long as his mafia state is next door. I guess a severed hose head in Ilves' bed will be next...
What do you mean by typical Putin "thuggery"? When was the last incident before the recent one on the Russian-Estonian border?

With ethnic Russians being 25% of the Estonian population, Estonian economy feeling negative effect of the Russina sanctions, Estonian nationalism on the rise and the upcoming elections in 2015, it is easy to predict that Estonia is all set to become the second Ukraine -- but with the NATO troops stationed there..
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What do you mean by typical Putin "thuggery"? When was the last incident before the recent one on the Russian-Estonian border?
Well, the cyber attacks on Estonia in 2007, then the war against Georgia in 2008, then Ukraine 2014. Putin likes to remind his neighbors who's the boss.


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With ethnic Russians being 25% of the Estonian population, Estonian economy feeling negative effect of the Russina sanctions, Estonian nationalism on the rise and the upcoming elections in 2015, it is easy to predict that Estonia is all set to become the second Ukraine -- but with the NATO troops stationed there..
..."but with NATO troops stationed there..": then hopefully they will prevent any masked gunmen from suddenly appearing and claiming a "People's Republic", and hence stopping any kind of proxy war before it happens.

And it's not about "ethnic Russians" versus everyone else. There are plenty of ethnic Russians fighting in Ukraine's army and volunteer battalions, and plenty of ethnic Russians who are just fine living in Ukraine and Estonia (I personally know many). It's about Putin feeding his media a script about all Russia's neighbors being fascists who hate Russia, and then using that excuse to either invade those countries or beat them into line.
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It's about Putin feeding his media a script about all Russia's neighbors being fascists who hate Russia, and then using that excuse to either invade those countries or beat them into line.
Almost all of the Russian neighbors belong to EU and/or NATO. How possibly Putin or anybody else could invade them? They are already invaded

Are you aware of Waffen SS veteran annual parades in Baltic states? I have no idea why they allow this.
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Almost all of the Russian neighbors belong to EU and/or NATO. How possibly Putin or anybody else could invade them? They are already invaded
I think Estonia democratically voted and applied for EU/NATO membership, how's that an "invasion"?

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Are you aware of Estonia's history? In 1940 the Soviet Union annexed Estonia and deported tens of thousands of people to Siberia in cattle cars (then again in 1949). When the Germans arrived in Estonia later that year before the next wave of deportations could take place, they were actually greeted as "liberators".

I am aware of the few old-timers left who gather as veterans every year, and I am aware that this small group gets huge Russian media attention every year as well. What I don't understand is why Soviet war monuments are still standing in Estonia? Why should monuments to occupiers be left in place 23 years later?
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I think Estonia democratically voted and applied for EU/NATO membership, how's that an "invasion"?



Are you aware of Estonia's history? In 1940 the Soviet Union annexed Estonia and deported tens of thousands of people to Siberia in cattle cars (then again in 1949). When the Germans arrived in Estonia later that year before the next wave of deportations could take place, they were actually greeted as "liberators".

I am aware of the few old-timers left who gather as veterans every year, and I am aware that this small group gets huge Russian media attention every year as well. What I don't understand is why Soviet war monuments are still standing in Estonia? Why should monuments to occupiers be left in place 23 years later?
Of course I am aware of this as well. The problem is how these horrible events and memories are shamelessly used today in politics -- and 25% of population being Russian makes the situation there extremely explosive. Just look what happened in Ukraine when the followers of Bandera came to power.
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Of course I am aware of this as well. The problem is how these horrible events and memories are shamelessly used today in politics -- and 25% of population being Russian makes the situation there extremely explosive. Just look what happened in Ukraine when the followers of Bandera came to power.
You mean the Bandera who was assassinated by the KGB?
Strange thing about the East Ukraine independence revolt was that the leaders were Russian citizens and mostly were the leaders of "independence revolts " in other countries; strange that they were the citizens of multiple countries?
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