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"Pro-US rebels", I like that I guess somebody needs to protect the english-speakers living in the DNR from the "Facist Jaunta" that is controlling this area . Maybe suddenly US tanks and rocket launchers will happen to magically appear in the hands of these pro-US separatists so they can fight to break away from the DNR?
English speakers living in DNR? Like Vice-President Joe Biden’s son Hunter, who has been hired as the top lawyer for Burisma, Ukraine’s biggest independent natural gas producer? Exactly these English-speaking people are using the Ukrainian army as the pro-US troops indeed.
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Looks like the US is playing bad guy (with intended 'spearhead') so Germany/France can play good guy and start negotiations. The competitive approach of the US and Russia is not easy to find compromise but hopefully DE/FR will be able to make a compromise. No one wants WW3. I hope they simply hold proper elections and draw thes line where the local people want to then stop further aggression from either side.
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Could be the good cop/bad cop game. However it looks like the good cops came back from Moscow empty handed.
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Dream on. No large country in the West gives a f. about it.
Just a day or two ago Sarkozy said what everyone thinks. He is quoted by Russia Today. Ukraine is left to itself.
Cheese eating surrender monkeys. What the hell is Sarkozy doing talking to the press? Merkel and Hollande rushed to Putin to "try to avert escalation" over the weekend, and then the Kremlin responds with:

Kremlin: Don't Issue Ultimatums To Putin



You see, when you appease tyrants, they instinctively consider it a weakness and it emboldens them.

Worrisome that Merkel and Hollande are now trying to appear like the middle ground appeasers for something they initially spearheaded. Such passive aggression. Yet, they now appear to be setting the stage for...

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CNN about sending weapons to Ukraine: Obama considers arming pro-US troops Well done CNN.
A US-Russia showdown.

I gotta say these International Affairs script writers nowadays ought to stick to writing for Hollywood movies,


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Problem is if the sanctions are dropped and not replaced with anything then it looks like the West is allowing Putin to do whatever he wants.
I think Putin found an opening to take on an emboldened posture, after this round of goofiness from the German lady and those two French wankers. The situation just got drastically worse. Lets see how they play Chicken.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Le Temps writes that Switzerland should consider joining the EU in sanctioning Russia were the peace talks fruitless.
http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/3e33...1-84ba1d1afc1c

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Pour la Suisse, il y a lieu de s’interroger si, en cas d’échec du plan de paix qui circule actuellement, il ne serait pas temps de reconsidérer l’imposition de sanctions économiques pour renforcer la main de la diplomatie.
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Sorry but you can only cry. Your lack of knowledge of either Chechnya or Dagestan is just pathetic.

I think EU is much more likely to break apart rather then Russia.

Amazing to hear an expert for Dagestani and Chechnyan affairs


And while Russia is a country, the EU is just an organisation.
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True, the Crimean takeover was relatively bloodless.

What is happening now in East Ukraine is a disaster for both sides and makes a mockery of Putin's claims that his aim was to protect ethnic Russians in the area.
Tell this to the ethnic Russians whose homes have been destroyed or have become refugees or killed by military actions or risk death by freezing/starvation.
Well, it's a good time to get rid of minorities, not only Russians... If you're an ethnic Romanian living in Hertsa and you're forced (beaten, taken into cars somewhere you don't know, your family doesn't know) to fight for the integrity of Ukraine...I mean, from all those Ukrainian men they picked you to do that....it does sound a bit suspect.
Anyway, this is a fight that could last....years! The West won't do much, lots of people will be killed senselessly. Not sure Ukraine will keep the Eastern part of the country. Maybe they'll do, who knows.
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Old 10.02.2015, 07:28
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Perhaps because population of Crimea/Donbass decided to join Russia?

It's pretty much the same way EU started it 'agression' towards Croatia and Slovenia 10 years ago... now to remaining Balkans' states.

Slovenia and Croatia got helped by Western Europe and the USA. Any agression is just invented by you
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In the end, East Ukraine will get to Russia, but not in accordance with the wishes of Mr Putin but in the way of positive compromises.
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You mean just like Serbian army was doing in Kosovo?
Looks like mikimedic is back
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English speakers living in DNR?
Indeed, in fact the UK has a territorial claim to the area, and has a moral obligation to assist the pro-UK rebels in defending their land

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Donestk was founded in the 19th century by John Hughes, a Merthyr Tydfil steel worker who had landed a contract from the Tsarist government to provide steel plating for the navy.
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Like Vice-President Joe Biden’s son Hunter, who has been hired as the top lawyer for Burisma, Ukraine’s biggest independent natural gas producer?
Well, he did get kicked out of the Navy for doing drugs so they had to find something for him to do . Since Ukraine is so messed up right now, I guess they figured he couldn't do any harm over there
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Cheese eating surrender monkeys. What the hell is Sarkozy doing talking to the press? Merkel and Hollande rushed to Putin to "try to avert escalation" over the weekend, and then the Kremlin responds with:

You see, when you appease tyrants, they instinctively consider it a weakness and it emboldens them.

Worrisome that Merkel and Hollande are now trying to appear like the middle ground appeasers for something they initially spearheaded. Such passive aggression. Yet, they now appear to be setting the stage for...

A US-Russia showdown.
I gotta say these International Affairs script writers nowadays ought to stick to writing for Hollywood movies,

I think Putin found an opening to take on an emboldened posture, after this round of goofiness from the German lady and those two French wankers. The situation just got drastically worse. Lets see how they play Chicken.
About "after this round of goofiness from the German lady and those two French wankers. "

The French are just interested in selling battleships to Russia which will not happen before the Ukraine fighting stops.

The German lady is a politician who bends to the wind; in this case the wind come from German business who want to get back to business as usual selling to the Russian mates

Or maybe they take seriously Putin's threat to not stop before Paris.

I do not see NATO involvement? NATO is a democratic organisation and Greece has already hinted it will not support military action, I doubt Turkey will either now they were promised a nice new gas pipeline?
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Old 10.02.2015, 14:53
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In typical passive aggressive fashion, they will likely back down to a middle, neutral position, then try to get the US and Russia to go at each other. Gutless. Personally, I'm sick of the US littering the world with all kinds of weapons. That is NOT what the US is about.

The danger is that Putin sees an opportunity for victory, and Obama is desperate to show some International accomplishments in face of criticism of how the world fell apart on his watch. How do we fire them both at the same time?
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In typical passive aggressive fashion, they will likely back down to a middle, neutral position, then try to get the US and Russia to go at each other. Gutless. Personally, I'm sick of the US littering the world with all kinds of weapons. That is NOT what the US is about.

The danger is that Putin sees an opportunity for victory, and Obama is desperate to show some International accomplishments in face of criticism of how the world fell apart on his watch. How do we fire them both at the same time?
About "How do we fire them both at the same time?" Time to return to the days of one on one hand to hand combat
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About "How do we fire them both at the same time?" Time to return to the days of one on one hand to hand combat
Yeah, some of these issues should be addressed chivalrously by these "Leaders" instead of committing thousands of people to die for their egos.

I could just see it now... Vlad and Barry, choose your match. Vlad: Wrestling! Obama: Basketball!
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Given the amount of straight out lying on all sides from day one I think it is fair to say that nobody realy knows what is happening in Ukraine.

I dont believe what any of the US media giants have to say and the same goes for BBC.

As for where most of the news, on anything political originates? Namely AP and Reuters. Well those two have contributed to their fair share of lies too.

I prefer to get my news from the tried and trusted political commentators that I turn to on such matters. Not some drone from BBC/NBC etc who will say that Hitler is alive and well on the dark side of the moon if they are ordered to do so.

The best information I have states that the who coup was organised through social media by US military hackers. But as I have stated who realy knows?

An incredible pity. Ukraine and all it has gone through. If anything the history of Ukraine shows how far people are prepared to gamble their lives away to maintain hope.

And as for Obama and Putin? They are both just as bad as each other in my book. They both have very shady histories. Both were very closely connected to killings/murder on a regular basis.

If anyone is into this praying thing now is the time to put a word in for the innocents of Ukraine.
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The best information I have states that the who coup was organised through social media by US military hackers. But as I have stated who realy knows?
Apart from how it was organized, does the cause and reason for it matter?


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And as for Obama and Putin? They are both just as bad as each other in my book. They both have very shady histories. Both were very closely connected to killings/murder on a regular basis.

If anyone is into this praying thing now is the time to put a word in for the innocents of Ukraine.
Seeing Obama talk about "contemplating sending lethal weapons" made me sick. As if the lives on the balance was up to his "contemplation". At this point in time, I think it is quite important for the Ukranians themselves to determine what they want to do about this situation. They need to pause and make that determination.
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Given the amount of straight out lying on all sides from day one I think it is fair to say that nobody realy knows what is happening in Ukraine.

I dont believe what any of the US media giants have to say and the same goes for BBC.

As for where most of the news, on anything political originates? Namely AP and Reuters. Well those two have contributed to their fair share of lies too.

I prefer to get my news from the tried and trusted political commentators that I turn to on such matters. Not some drone from BBC/NBC etc who will say that Hitler is alive and well on the dark side of the moon if they are ordered to do so.

The best information I have states that the who coup was organised through social media by US military hackers. But as I have stated who realy knows?

An incredible pity. Ukraine and all it has gone through. If anything the history of Ukraine shows how far people are prepared to gamble their lives away to maintain hope.

And as for Obama and Putin? They are both just as bad as each other in my book. They both have very shady histories. Both were very closely connected to killings/murder on a regular basis.

If anyone is into this praying thing now is the time to put a word in for the innocents of Ukraine.
About "The best information I have states that the who coup was organised through social media " If that is the best you have I shudder to think what is the worst!

About "I prefer to get my news from the tried and trusted political commentators" Would you care to educate us and share names?
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There is a theory floating around that the US want to send weapons to increase the Russian soldier death rate and thus impact Putin's popularity at home.

Seems an over complex theory to me
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

There are rumours floating around on "social media" that an Ukraine militia has shot down a Russian SU25!
Would be good if anyone here could verify this or not. Seems to be "well" timed before tomorrow's peace talks
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There is a theory floating around that the US want to send weapons to increase the Russian soldier death rate and thus impact Putin's popularity at home.

Seems an over complex theory to me
Body count never mattered over there. The media don't mention it at all.
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Interesting theory floated by Russian sources. Actually not a bad idea, from the Russian POV. It would punish the US and help restore the Russian economy. Of course it would isolate them further from the rest of the world, but they don't seem to be too worried about that lately.

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