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Old 09.12.2015, 12:27
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

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New input coming from the Australian Transport Bureau (via DailyBeast) claims electrical failure led to the failure of airplane parts. Since the plane's systems were shut down, pilots could not contact ground personnel to transmit location and make an sos call. After the outage, the transponder and a separate system stopped working.

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While the ATSB report did not mention the exact time of the power outage, the Daily Beast made the assessment that it could have been between the last contact with the plane and the first attempt from ground to contact MH370 -- between a period of about 44 minutes. The report also estimated that the power loss was likely rapid.

The first electronic “handshake,” or a pulse, sent automatically from the plane with at least one system working, was recorded by London-based satellite operator Inmarsat 21 minutes after the airline’s dispatchers tried to contact MH370. The report said that seven “handshakes” were recorded from the Boeing 777-200 by an Inmarsat ground station in Australia, with the first one recorded during takeoff. The last pulse was recorded about 1,500 miles from the nearest land mass of southwestern Australia in the Indian Ocean. The Satellite Data Unit, used to transmit the pulse from MH370, was reportedly able to reboot within a minute to transpond the hourly pings for the rest of the flight.

The ATSB report gave four possible reasons for the power loss, starting with a sudden failure triggering the Auxiliary Power Unit to restore emergency power and an action on overhead switches inside the cockpit. The third reason mentioned was if someone accessed the Main Equipment Center below the flight desk, pulled out the circuit breaker and reset it. An intermittent technical failure was also cited as a likely reason.

While authorities have not been able to determine the most valid cause, the idea of the pilots being involved in the plane’s disappearance seemed far-fetched, according to the analysis.
I hope that is not true!!


Imagine being in a dark aircraft with no A/C or heating flying randomly until the fuel ran out.
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Old 09.12.2015, 12:33
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

I can't even begin to imagine it Marton.. And I feel horrible for the passengers' families having their trauma brought back over and over with each new 'findings'.. I hope concrete proof will come to light soon so they can start to seek closure.. though I doubt you can ever bounce back from an accident that ripped your loved one from you and placed them on the bottom of the ocean

I wonder how can future situations involving power outages be dealt with? Could an antenna be built to spot a plane that has a power outage? Also , might be a silly question but why didn't any of the pilots or passengers attempt to make a phone call via mobile phones while they were in the air?
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I can't even begin to imagine it Marton.. And I feel horrible for the passengers' families having their trauma brought back over and over with each new 'findings'.. I hope concrete proof will come to light soon so they can start to seek closure.. though I doubt you can ever bounce back from an accident that ripped your loved one from you and placed them on the bottom of the ocean

I wonder how can future situations involving power outages be dealt with? Could an antenna be built to spot a plane that has a power outage? Also , might be a silly question but why didn't any of the pilots or passengers attempt to make a phone call via mobile phones while they were in the air?
No cell towers there.
In fact, even satellite-coverage down there is spotty at best.
The closer you come to Antarctica, the more easy it becomes to disappear without a trace.
Direct mobile phone connectivity from passenger-owned phones only works near the ground - and even then, the plane switches between cell-towers so fast, it's very difficult to maintain a connection.
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Old 09.12.2015, 13:36
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

Thanks rainer_d for explaining. Makes sense now..Wished there was a way to improve flight safety or emergency responses in those areas.
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Thanks rainer_d for explaining. Makes sense now..Wished there was a way to improve flight safety or emergency responses in those areas.
There isn't.
Realistically, if your plane goes down there, you'll die.
Too far from civilization. And the sea is too rough, too cold there.
Actually, I hope everybody on that plane became unconscious on impact and didn't slowly drown or die of thirst.

For me, it bears a lot of resemblance to the fate of Evi Nemeth and the rest of the crew of that ship:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evi_Nemeth#Later_life
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Old 09.12.2015, 16:36
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

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New input coming from the Australian Transport Bureau (via DailyBeast) claims electrical failure led to the failure of airplane parts. Since the plane's systems were shut down, pilots could not contact ground personnel to transmit location and make an sos call. After the outage, the transponder and a separate system stopped working.

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While the ATSB report did not mention the exact time of the power outage, the Daily Beast made the assessment that it could have been between the last contact with the plane and the first attempt from ground to contact MH370 -- between a period of about 44 minutes. The report also estimated that the power loss was likely rapid.

The first electronic “handshake,” or a pulse, sent automatically from the plane with at least one system working, was recorded by London-based satellite operator Inmarsat 21 minutes after the airline’s dispatchers tried to contact MH370. The report said that seven “handshakes” were recorded from the Boeing 777-200 by an Inmarsat ground station in Australia, with the first one recorded during takeoff. The last pulse was recorded about 1,500 miles from the nearest land mass of southwestern Australia in the Indian Ocean. The Satellite Data Unit, used to transmit the pulse from MH370, was reportedly able to reboot within a minute to transpond the hourly pings for the rest of the flight.

The ATSB report gave four possible reasons for the power loss, starting with a sudden failure triggering the Auxiliary Power Unit to restore emergency power and an action on overhead switches inside the cockpit. The third reason mentioned was if someone accessed the Main Equipment Center below the flight desk, pulled out the circuit breaker and reset it. An intermittent technical failure was also cited as a likely reason.

While authorities have not been able to determine the most valid cause, the idea of the pilots being involved in the plane’s disappearance seemed far-fetched, according to the analysis.
A technical failure, like activating the cloaking technology that was aboard this flight? 5 of the 6 patent holders were also aboard this fight, patent approved four days after fight went missing. Hmmm, I'm sure it MUST be something else........
6th patent holder is the company itself which is owned by a Rothschild. That name keeps coming up....
This flight WAS a weapon of war. A very high tech, next generation of stealth technology weapon of war. Draw your own conclusions.
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Old 09.12.2015, 17:02
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

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A technical failure, like activating the cloaking technology that was aboard this flight? 5 of the 6 patent holders were also aboard this fight, patent approved four days after fight went missing. Hmmm, I'm sure it MUST be something else........
6th patent holder is the company itself which is owned by a Rothschild. That name keeps coming up....
This flight WAS a weapon of war. A very high tech, next generation of stealth technology weapon of war. Draw your own conclusions.
How can a passenger plane all of a sudden become a "next generation of stealth technology weapon of war"? Are you saying that illuminatis did it again?
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Old 09.12.2015, 17:41
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

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A technical failure, like activating the cloaking technology that was aboard this flight? 5 of the 6 patent holders were also aboard this fight, patent approved four days after fight went missing. Hmmm, I'm sure it MUST be something else........
6th patent holder is the company itself which is owned by a Rothschild. That name keeps coming up....
This flight WAS a weapon of war. A very high tech, next generation of stealth technology weapon of war. Draw your own conclusions.



http://www.snopes.com/politics/consp...ysiapatent.asp

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Old 09.12.2015, 17:52
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How can a passenger plane all of a sudden become a "next generation of stealth technology weapon of war"? Are you saying that illuminatis did it again?
"A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...efence-company

There were also initial reports that two of the eight Chinese Nationals that work for Freescale had problems with their passports(suspected to be fake) but were allowed on at the last minute.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

Reuters:
"The 20 Freescale employees, among 239 people on flight MH370, were mostly engineers and other experts working to make the company's chip facilities in Tianjin, China, and Kuala Lumpur more efficient, said Mitch Haws, vice president, global communications and investor relations."
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"They had been streamlining facilities in Tianjin and Kuala Lumpur that Freescale uses for testing and packaging microchips used in automobiles, consumer products, telecommunications infrastructure and industrial equipment.

Sounds extremely secretive, definitely worth killing for.

Not!
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Old 10.12.2015, 11:33
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"The 20 Freescale employees, among 239 people on flight MH370, were mostly engineers and other experts working to make the company's chip facilities in Tianjin, China, and Kuala Lumpur more efficient, said Mitch Haws, vice president, global communications and investor relations."
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"They had been streamlining facilities in Tianjin and Kuala Lumpur that Freescale uses for testing and packaging microchips used in automobiles, consumer products, telecommunications infrastructure and industrial equipment.

Sounds extremely secretive, definitely worth killing for.

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Almost every plane in-coming and out-going from CH is full of expats, experts, engineers, IT specialists, bankers and insurance brokers. Yet they don't fall from the sky at rate that would indicate either eliminating high competitiveness on the market or gaining total controls over companies patents Or I didn't get a memo?
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Old 10.12.2015, 12:07
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Almost every plane in-coming and out-going from CH is full of expats, experts, engineers, IT specialists, bankers and insurance brokers. Yet they don't fall from the sky at rate that would indicate either eliminating high competitiveness on the market or gaining total controls over companies patents Or I didn't get a memo?
It's a Festivus miracle you are still alive!
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It's a Festivus miracle you are still alive!
Probably because he's no good at whatever it is he's doing
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Old 10.12.2015, 16:34
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

Mr Wattrelos, whose 2 kids and wife were on the plane has been very active in public, organizing protests (with his suviving won) and giving interviews. He is very outspoken, especially on his Facebook (which I will not link here).
In this interview from August '15 he talks about the debris that was believed to be from the plane. http://m.mytf1news.fr/article/5342294
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

Plane search mission didn't find the MH370 but came across the second old ship wreck from the 19th century:

MH370 search team finds second shipwreck
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35302512
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Old 25.01.2016, 16:40
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

A deep-sea exploration vehicle searching for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been lost on the ocean floor after colliding with a submerged volcano.

On Sunday the sonar vehicle attached to the Fugro Discovery was lost after it ran into a mud volcano jutting out from the ocean floor.

Sh*t happens
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A deep-sea exploration vehicle searching for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been lost on the ocean floor after colliding with a submerged volcano.

On Sunday the sonar vehicle attached to the Fugro Discovery was lost after it ran into a mud volcano jutting out from the ocean floor.

Sh*t happens
Don't you just hate it, when volcanoes get in your way all the time!
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Old 25.01.2016, 17:58
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Don't you just hate it, when volcanoes get in your way all the time!

Can really ruin your day...






I was a Midshipman aboard her, but before this happened.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sa...isco_(SSN-711)

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

Another piece from an aircraft wreck has turned up on the African coast,

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35709867
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 missing

MH370 search: Mozambique debris arrives in Australia
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-35859833
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