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Air egypt I think. Pilot suicide
The Egyptians never accepted this I believe but yes. With a very different ending (but possible mechanism) there's also the Ethiopian one in Geneva a week or two back.
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Old 11.03.2014, 13:11
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The Egyptians never accepted this I believe but yes. With a very different ending (but possible mechanism) there's also the Ethiopian one in Geneva a week or two back.
The only thing clear is that the name of the company is EGYPT AIR and not Air Egypt.

The second clear thing is that there were lots of Egyptian army officers on board

The rest is a mystery.
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Old 11.03.2014, 13:48
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

I was thinking of this one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185
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Old 11.03.2014, 14:33
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

more weirdness...

Plane has been tracked over Strait of Malacca (per Reuters) which means it turned around.

There are pics of the FO with young girls in the flight cabin (on another flt) that have been released to an Australian tabloid TV show.

Could the FO have been so despondent over this that he might have taken the plane down himself?

Malaysian authorities still seem to be withholding information.
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The only thing clear is that the name of the company is EGYPT AIR and not Air Egypt.

The second clear thing is that there were lots of Egyptian army officers on board

The rest is a mystery.
Didn't have my OCD hat on so I ignored the question of the name. However, from the NTSB:

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The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the EgyptAir flight 990 accident is the airplane's departure from normal cruise flight and subsequent impact with the Atlantic Ocean as a result of the relief first officer's flight control inputs. The reason for the relief first officer's actions was not determined.
I'm sure we can all read between the lines here.
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more weirdness...

Plane has been tracked over Strait of Malacca (per Reuters) which means it turned around.

There are pics of the FO with young girls in the flight cabin (on another flt) that have been released to an Australian tabloid TV show.

Could the FO have been so despondent over this that he might have taken the plane down himself?

Malaysian authorities still seem to be withholding information.
Oh my god, is this confirmed? Why only now they find that the flt was tracked over Strait of Malacca?
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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...alacca-straits

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Oh my god, is this confirmed? Why only now they find that the flt was tracked over Strait of Malacca?
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

I thought the search over malacca strait was odd. If its true which is even stranger they were flying in totally opposite direction. But ill reserve doubt as details are sketchy and loads of false info about.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight missing

The BBC and CNN had a live broadcast of a press conference this morning with Malaysian police. The police officer who was apparently the most senior (gold epaulettes, copious medals) seemed surprisingly upbeat, smiling occasionally and even laughing with the press at one point.

Here he is: IGP contradicts DCA on MH370 passengers
Am pretty sure he said at the press conference that everyone who had booked a ticket was on the flight, while also putting forward a theory about someone being heavily in debt as a possible explanation for the plane's disappearance. I think any country that allows people onto a flight with stolen passports can save itself the effort of trying to convince everyone of the stringency of its ticket booking arrangements!

Excerpt from press conference:
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My totally uninformed guess is that it involved one of the pilots. There's a precedent for this, but I can't remember the details.

The pilot can use the radar deadzone to drop under the radar and smash the plane somewhere off-route.
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The Egyptians never accepted this I believe but yes. With a very different ending (but possible mechanism) there's also the Ethiopian one in Geneva a week or two back.
I don't know how many Egyptian air losses there have been, but I do recall learning about one incident in particular.

I was studying for a commercial helicopters pilot licence (completed the theory, but not the practical) and one of the subjects was "Human Factors".
We were learning why you should trust the instruments over your instincts.... i.e. we learned how physical forces can manipulate how your brain processes information.

In one lesson they drew an example from an Egyptian flight that took off at night and the pilot was experiencing a force on his back (AKA: thrust), and he misinterpreted this as having an increased rate of climb.
He ignored the insturments and tried to level the flight judging by his 'feelings'.

Consequently, the plane eventually just ditched into the ocean.


I wonder if this was the same flight by coincidence. The story seems to fit.
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The BBC and CNN had a live broadcast of a press conference this morning with Malaysian police. The police officer who was apparently the most senior (gold epaulettes, copious medals) seemed surprisingly upbeat, smiling occasionally and even laughing with the press at one point.

Here he is: IGP contradicts DCA on MH370 passengers
Am pretty sure he said at the press conference that everyone who had booked a ticket was on the flight, while also putting forward a theory about someone being heavily in debt as a possible explanation for the plane's disappearance. I think any country that allows people onto a flight with stolen passports can save itself the effort of trying to convince everyone of the stringency of its ticket booking arrangements!

Excerpt from press conference:
About the passengers who bought tickets but not in the plane there are now three versions:

DCA: There are 5 passengers who bought their tickets and checked in, but not in the flight.

IGP: "Only one passenger missed the flight, and it was a lady. She had called Malaysia Airlines to cancel the ticket because she had mistook the date."

Malaysian airlines: 4 passengers bought the tickets but did not check in.
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/e...dark-site.html
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Old 11.03.2014, 16:23
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About the passengers who bought tickets but not in the plane there are now three versions:

DCA: There are 5 passengers who bought their tickets and checked in, but not in the flight.

IGP: "Only one passenger missed the flight, and it was a lady. She had called Malaysia Airlines to cancel the ticket because she had mistook the date."

Malaysian airlines: 4 passengers bought the tickets but did not check in.
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/e...dark-site.html
Buying a ticket but not checking in is completely irrelevant. Happens all the time (are there ever any flights without any no-shows?), meaningless and zero security implications.

Checking in and not boarding however is something else if there is baggage involved. In this case the baggage has to be unloaded. In theory.
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Old 11.03.2014, 16:31
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I....In one lesson they drew an example from an Egyptian flight that took off at night and the pilot was experiencing a force on his back (AKA: thrust), and he misinterpreted this as having an increased rate of climb.
MS990 took off just before 07:00 in October. Probably daylight(ish) so not that one.

There was a major dispute between the Egyptian authorities and the NTSB over this. The NTSB wanted to hand the investigation over to the FBI in view of the First Officers actions but the Egyptians managed to prevent this. The NTSB report still makes it pretty clear what they think without (for political reasons) explicitly stating suicide. The CVR (at least the translations I have read) also made it pretty clear IMO.
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Checking in and not boarding however is something else if there is baggage involved. In this case the baggage has to be unloaded. In theory.
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Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, director general of Malaysia’s Department of Civil Aviation... said five other passengers checked in for the flight but never boarded. He said their baggage was removed before the plane took off.
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So we know for sure that they let people onto the flight with stolen passports and can't seem to agree on one version of events. But they are saying the baggage was removed. Yes, I think you're right in saying "in theory"!
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So we know for sure that they let people onto the flight with stolen passports and can't seem to agree on one version of events. But they are saying the baggage was removed. Yes, I think you're right in saying "in theory"!
[Edit: I don't mean to quote you directly. My comments are just related, that's all]


I find the probability that an explosion occurred or that this was in any way a terrorist related incident almost impossible to believe.

1) An explosion would leave a debris trail.... no debris found.
2) A terrorist organisation is pretty quick to 'claim responsibility'
3) There are so many stolen passports in circulation it's an irrelevant detail.

So one or two doesn't mean shit in my opion. The whole thing is just media hype for now. They are clutching at straws to report something so they just raise the 'possibility' and speculate bullshit.
Nobody should speculate on anything at the moment, especially the media.

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[Edit: I don't mean to quote you directly. My comments are just related, that's all]


I find the probability that an explosion occurred or that this was in any way a terrorist related incident almost impossible to believe.

1) An explosion would leave a debris trail.... no debris found.
2) A terrorist organisation is pretty quick to 'claim responsibility'
3) There are so many stolen passports in circulation it's an irrelevant detail.

So one or two doesn't mean shit in my opion. The whole thing is just media hype for now. They are clutching at straws to report something so they just raise the 'possibility' and speculate bullshit.
Nobody should speculate on anything at the moment, especially the media.
THIS! The passport thing is just a coincidence. There was an indian flight that crashed and more than 10 people had false or stolen passports.
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THIS! The passport thing is just a coincidence. There was an indian flight that crashed and more than 10 people had false or stolen passports.
If the world all adopted Advance Passenger Information, would this reduce these numbers, do you think, or would it be an extra PITA that changed nothing?
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Oviously, no-one here has seen Wikipedia reference-linkThe_Event .
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Oh my god, is this confirmed? Why only now they find that the flt was tracked over Strait of Malacca?
The military has known for some time, it seems:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.579123

What was that we were saying about information being withheld?
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If the world all adopted Advance Passenger Information, would this reduce these numbers, do you think, or would it be an extra PITA that changed nothing?
Possible but there are always ways around any system.
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