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Re: Rotherham sex abuse scandal

An excellent article demonstrating how the rise of the permissive culture has led, inevitably, to Rotherham and Oxford: http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/...ge-of-consent/
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Re: Rotherham sex abuse scandal

Add Rochadale to the list of UK towns where such abuse was taking place

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...chester-police
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An excellent article demonstrating how the rise of the permissive culture has led, inevitably, to Rotherham and Oxford: http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/...ge-of-consent/
The Spectator has some excellent articles.

I had a major argument with my sister about the folly of the swinging sixties and seventies. The hippies were very much in to free love and dropping sexual hang ups. To me as a child surrounded by hippies, I saw the whole era as a farce, it was all so false and forced.
Pressure was put on young women especially to be sexual permissive, if they didn't they were labelled as uptight, not moving with the times. The pill was as much a burden to women as a benefit. Women were expected to be available anytime anywhere, the Martini girl image- what was the problem, pregnancy was avoided? No-one talked about the fact that the pill changes hormones and often decreases sexual drive, so women may have been having more sex, but not necessarily enjoying it more. Women were still trapped as objects for male satisfaction. For all the women's lib, the porn trade and work place were still dominated by men. There were no redlight districts catering to burgeoning numbers of female customers.

Children of hippies in the 70's were raised in rebellion to the 50's. Ab Fab, Hedonistic hippy parents encouraged their children to experiment, to be free. But no-one really listened to what the children wanted, children were coached into being little proteges. Children of hippies became exposed to an adult world for which no-one prepared them (remember Roman Polanski?). No-one was watching those who came in to take advantage of the vulnerable. After all, it was acknowledged that children had sexual feelings too and should be allowed to follow their instincts and plenty of people around who would 'help' them on their path of discovery. We hardly heard the word pedophile in the 60's and 70's, unless it was people like the Moor's murderers, who tortured and killed the kids. If pedophiles were not torturing and killing the children, and children were putting up with it, then who was to say that the children didn't instigate or want it? That's why so many ( like Esther Rantzen) turned a blind eye to the likes of Jimmy Saville. Still some men think that a preteen girl dressed like Britney is asking for it, they have no shame and show no remorse.
The age of consent was lowered, but for some the word 'consent ' meant that they could take advantage of the young and naiive and not have to face repercussions. Those labelled as teen 'sluts'; or 'bints' remain easy meat, unprotected, uneducated. Their only value in life is their ability to trade their sexuality.

No-one really listened to the children, they still don't, so children continue to exploited. It's about time that the law really went after the punters.
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Add Rochadale to the list of UK towns where such abuse was taking place

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...chester-police
It is endemic, rife in all of our highest institutions, clergy, doctors, teachers, social workers, police, Judaical, politicians
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Add Hampstead to the list. Over 20 children from one school abused by parents, teachers, priest. All over the internet but nothing in the main stream news.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...mM-hlmPCKbTDcT


Very, very sad and shocking.
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Add Hampstead to the list. Over 20 children from one school abused by parents, teachers, priest. All over the internet but nothing in the main stream news.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...mM-hlmPCKbTDcT


Very, very sad and shocking.
And Sheffield.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Rotherham.html

The guy interviewed on the local news last night ( yes I still watch Yorkshire news even though I haven't lived there for over 30 years) said it was abuse on a massive scale, much bigger than Rotherham, although given their relative proximity I wouldn't be surprised if some of the perpetrators weren't involved in both places.

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Old 13.03.2015, 11:08
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The Spectator has some excellent articles.

I had a major argument with my sister about the folly of the swinging sixties and seventies. The hippies were very much in to free love and dropping sexual hang ups. To me as a child surrounded by hippies, I saw the whole era as a farce, it was all so false and forced.
The 60s and 70s were a bad time on many levels. And many of our leaders today were part of the 68 crowd and although they have changed their tone and started wearing suits and ties, they haven't really abjured those times or their old friends and are still purusing their old goals. In addition, that generation has held an iron grip on the education system and tried to perpetuate its twisted narcissistic philosophy into subsequent generations. They've built up the whole PC thing as a smoke screen to protect themselves from criticism and so captured the mainstream that few people still dare speak out.
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Old 13.03.2015, 13:54
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Children of hippies in the 70's were raised in rebellion to the 50's. Ab Fab, Hedonistic hippy parents encouraged their children to experiment, to be free. But no-one really listened to what the children wanted, children were coached into being little proteges. Children of hippies became exposed to an adult world for which no-one prepared them (remember Roman Polanski?). No-one was watching those who came in to take advantage of the vulnerable. After all, it was acknowledged that children had sexual feelings too and should be allowed to follow their instincts and plenty of people around who would 'help' them on their path of discovery. We hardly heard the word pedophile in the 60's and 70's, unless it was people like the Moor's murderers, who tortured and killed the kids.
Naw, that is a cliche. It isn't necessarily true. A LOT of children of Hippies actually rebelled against their parents generation and voted for Reagan. The Hippies brought a nebulous and slimy mindset that is somewhat barely intolerable for those who had clearer heads. Hippies and their leftist ideas, bah, jokers with questionable clarity.

The epitome of that generation's thinking can be summed up in a response ex-President Clinton gave to a pointed question, "It depends on what the definition of is is". So there you have it, a quite confused generation.
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Naw, that is a cliche. It isn't necessarily true. A LOT of children of Hippies actually rebelled against their parents generation and voted for Reagan.
A lot did, but many others didn't. The hippy mindset with its easy and shallow answers created a dangerous type of thinking that will continue to afflict us for a long time. Some of the people at the top of the hippy movement may have been smart, but many of the followers were not and failed to see how they were manipulated.
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A lot did, but many others didn't. The hippy mindset with its easy and shallow answers created a dangerous type of thinking that will continue to afflict us for a long time. Some of the people at the top of the hippy movement may have been smart, but many of the followers were not and failed to see how they were manipulated.
Free love and Rock n' Roll was great though. Some of us had fun.

The hippy movement was invented and led by an elite cadre of rich kids with an agenda. The rest were just dregs following fashion and looking for a way to belong. It was great to shed some of the dogma and orthodoxy of the old traditionalists. It is always a good exercise to examine alternative perspectives and alternative approaches to life.

Counter culture is important for questioning prevailing culture and prod improvement. But there are remnant fringes that have taken it to quite an extreme, to the point of eroding good values. It has contributed to some degeneration, without any new redeeming value to replace it. They hate society and civilization.

What we have now is a world where societal norms have been disparaged and diluted. The result is a lot of screwed up lives out. And then they have the galls to ask normal people to pay for it. Bah! That kind of payment should only be voluntary. I think the Theory of Relativity should only be applied to physics; not culture, mores and norms. <rant over>
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Some of the people at the top of the hippy movement may have been smart, but many of the followers were not and failed to see how they were manipulated.
Which is true for most movements, democratic or otherwise.

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Re: Rotherham sex abuse scandal

Hippy does not equate directly with leftie. I am interested in LSD in the hippy movement, I wouldn't mind trying it towards the end of life, see if it opens up a creative side. I reacted to the hippy era, hated watching everyone around me get stoned; thinking they were so cool when they acted so stupidly. Whole days would go by with nothing getting done- a bit like me being on EF. I still remained a leftie.
I hated what it did to schools, the progressive era was child-centred, it failed to teach children societal boundaries, in some cases pretending that they no longer existed. This was cruel as children would only find the boundaries by running full force into them.

Anyway. . . I was surprised, then in retrospect not so surprised to find these you tubes.

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Anyway. . . I was surprised, then in retrospect not so surprised to find these you tubes.
The comments, by Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims (albeit the weirdos who actually bother to comment on Youtube videos) are frankly really depressing. So much hatred and venom from all sides.
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The comments, by Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims (albeit the weirdos who actually bother to comment on Youtube videos) are frankly really depressing. So much hatred and venom from all sides.
I worked in Inner London schools after the Southall riots, mostly they get on very well, but good new is no news. Scythe wielding sikhs add excitement!
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Re: Rotherham sex abuse scandal

It's getting bigger: http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-31885906 Child sex abuse is 'woven into British society' - Theresa May

... and the corruption continues: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...se-errors.html Minister who blew whistle on police child abuse errors 'is threatened by UK's top cop': 'Darkly veiled' telephone calls to MP spark ferocious war of words


(This thread and the Westminster thread will be indistinguishable before the year is out... just you watch)
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Free love and Rock n' Roll was great though. Some of us had fun.

The hippy movement was invented and led by an elite cadre of rich kids with an agenda. The rest were just dregs following fashion and looking for a way to belong. It was great to shed some of the dogma and orthodoxy of the old traditionalists. It is always a good exercise to examine alternative perspectives and alternative approaches to life.

Counter culture is important for questioning prevailing culture and prod improvement. But there are remnant fringes that have taken it to quite an extreme, to the point of eroding good values. It has contributed to some degeneration, without any new redeeming value to replace it. They hate society and civilization.

What we have now is a world where societal norms have been disparaged and diluted. The result is a lot of screwed up lives out. And then they have the galls to ask normal people to pay for it. Bah! That kind of payment should only be voluntary. I think the Theory of Relativity should only be applied to physics; not culture, mores and norms. <rant over>
Maybe this is getting philosophical, but I in my view the 60ies were about so much more than sex, drugs and rock 'n roll. They were also about something being right because you wanted it to be right. There was a disconnect between logical discourse and morality. You could suddenly determine if something was Ok by getting stoned and repeating vague words about it, and that was somehow better than going to your philosophy bookshelf and thinking about it analytically. So if getting stoned and hearing your inner voice say it was okay to involve children in expanding your sexual experience then that wasn't abuse but just accepting your inner voice must be right.

The same happened in many other areas too. Many of these people became teachers and confused the next generation of kids. Many became politicians and things got screwed up on many levels.
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The comments, by Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims (albeit the weirdos who actually bother to comment on Youtube videos) are frankly really depressing. So much hatred and venom from all sides.
I found the comments by non-sikhs, hundus and muslims pretty depressing as well....but I'd imagine you wouldn't :/
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I found the comments by non-sikhs, hundus and muslims pretty depressing as well....but I'd imagine you wouldn't :/
There weren't any when I read the comments but yes, reading them now, I concur, they're pretty depressing too.
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I found the comments by non-sikhs, hundus and muslims pretty depressing as well....but I'd imagine you wouldn't :/
There are bad eggs in any community.
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I don't believe the governments of India and Pakistan get on too well, either.
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