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...I think it is more like this:

Anyone who doesn't adopt their version of Islam and Sharia Law should die.

It would appear to me that there is no Caliphate, just a self-appointed Caliph who will tolerate no objection, no dissension, no interference, upon pain of death, and only those may live who he chooses and who adhere strictly to his dictates. It is not negotiable and it doesn't appear that there is any limit he will not go to to achieve his goals. Genghis Khan, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc. rose (and fell) on on their totality, and I think we are now in for yet another run of this old script.
My thoughts also. IS appears to be a very well organised bunch of "revolutionaries" with a fanatic ideology. We've seen things like this before.
I was thinking about why a young French or Brit would be attracted to this. Well, it's order in the street of Paris or London, and they are revolutionaries. Just think of all that power and positions they could have in a newly created state. Deciding who can live or die, making history.
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Castro, you are right. I wrote fast and didn't re-read.

If you have a credible source that tells you there is a real threat and don't act, you are doomed.

IS has the means to carry on their threat. I do t want to wait and see if they will do it or not.

Like I said in an other thread, I believe war against terrorists and fantasists is the 3rd World War.

I don't believe we should just sit, cross our arms, wait and see.

Exactly the type of thinking which led us to war in Iraq in 2003. That turned out well.

Pray tell what credible means ISIS has of attacking the UK or US? You appear to be better informed then the joint chiefs of staff. Especially surprising considering the scope of surveillance from our US 'buddies'.
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Old 16.09.2014, 03:58
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Exactly the type of thinking which led us to war in Iraq in 2003. That turned out well.

Pray tell what credible means ISIS has of attacking the UK or US? You appear to be better informed then the joint chiefs of staff. Especially surprising considering the scope of surveillance from our US 'buddies'.

The chiefs of staff are not in the habit to tell the public what they know.


What means ? Such questions were asked by people in the administration of Presidents Clinton and Bush Jr
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Re: Islamic State executes Scottish aid worker David Haines,

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“When you fight over there, it’s like being in a trance,” said Can, who asked to be referred to only by his middle name for fear of reprisal. “Everyone shouts, ‘God is the greatest,’ which gives you divine strength to kill the enemy without being fazed by blood or splattered guts,” he said.
Ok their numbers are not too many but still it is quite disturbing to think that they used to live/are still living among us.
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Old 16.09.2014, 09:23
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Ok their numbers are not too many but still it is quite disturbing to think that they used to live/are still living among us.
Some recent estimates have put numbers at 10s of thousands with several hundred possibly from the UK.
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Old 22.09.2014, 22:04
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40 countries have signed up for action against IS, including 10 Arab nations….

… World War 3?
What is going on with the anti-IS coalition? Germany, UK, Turkey are not bombing IS militants in Syria, and now France is out. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said that France would not launch air strikes against IS militants in Syria despite having bombed a suspected target of the group in northern Iraq last week. Who is going to bomb IS in Syria? The US alone?
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Old 22.09.2014, 22:19
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What is going on with the anti-IS coalition? Germany, UK, Turkey are not bombing IS militants in Syria, and now France is out. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said that France would not launch air strikes against IS militants in Syria despite having bombed a suspected target of the group in northern Iraq last week. Who is going to bomb IS in Syria? The US alone?
NO western coalition should be formed to bomb IS.

Our biggest mistake was targeting Saddam and Assad.

If our Islamic friends want to butcher each other......

Leave it to Egypt, Turkey and Iran to clean up.
Their very survival depends on them doing this..

Now TB liar (Mid East Peace Envoy......snigger) has joined the fray.

We listen to him at out peril.
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Old 22.09.2014, 22:31
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What is going on with the anti-IS coalition? Germany, UK, Turkey are not bombing IS militants in Syria, and now France is out. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said that France would not launch air strikes against IS militants in Syria despite having bombed a suspected target of the group in northern Iraq last week. Who is going to bomb IS in Syria? The US alone?
Syria is a sovereign nation, what gives any country the right to bomb it without a UN mandate?
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Old 22.09.2014, 23:01
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Re: Islamic State executes Scottish aid worker David Haines,

Ultimately, things are the way they are now because that is how the local population prefers it. Full stop. When the population no longer wants ISIS, they can throw it off themselves. No amount of western intervention will keep them from their ISIS. Get rid of ISIS, and another by a different name will fill its place. Alternatively, Shiite extremist groups may demand their 15 minutes of brutality fame. The locals may prefer to keep ISIS this way for some time. Afterall, ISIS has managed to achieve peace in their cities for city dwellers to take a breather. As for the brutality.... bah..... they've been living it for as long as they can remember.

Maybe at some point, they evolve in their mentality, spirituality and emotions, get tired of the violence, and actually seek peace. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for it. In the meantime, it is just so embarrassing to be on the same planet in the same era as these types. Do they really have to be considered part of the same human race? The world has enough problems without the ones these are creating. We could be making much more progress without them. Can we ditch 'em? please, eh?
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Old 22.09.2014, 23:17
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Syria is a sovereign nation, what gives any country the right to bomb it without a UN mandate?
assuming that Syria is in fact still a sovereign nation, where precisely would you draw her borders?

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Re: Islamic State executes Scottish aid worker David Haines,

I read Islam has has secular wars since the death of its founder, they divided early and have been killing each other since.

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Indeed.

Considering the majority of the people dying in the hands of IS are Muslims, we can probably come to an easy conclusion by saying that this is not the true Islam they are spreading around.
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Old 23.09.2014, 04:23
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Syria is a sovereign nation, what gives any country the right to bomb it without a UN mandate?
What right did the US need to bomb Afghanistan or Iraq before?
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Ultimately, things are the way they are now because that is how the local population prefers it. Full stop. When the population no longer wants ISIS, they can throw it off themselves. No amount of western intervention will keep them from their ISIS. Get rid of ISIS, and another by a different name will fill its place. Alternatively, Shiite extremist groups may demand their 15 minutes of brutality fame. The locals may prefer to keep ISIS this way for some time. Afterall, ISIS has managed to achieve peace in their cities for city dwellers to take a breather. As for the brutality.... bah..... they've been living it for as long as they can remember.

Maybe at some point, they evolve in their mentality, spirituality and emotions, get tired of the violence, and actually seek peace. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for it. In the meantime, it is just so embarrassing to be on the same planet in the same era as these types. Do they really have to be considered part of the same human race? The world has enough problems without the ones these are creating. We could be making much more progress without them. Can we ditch 'em? please, eh?

NO, things are NOT how the local Population would prefer it. The number of People fleeing to Turkey speaks clearly



NO, the locals canNOT throw off a well armed Organisation
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I read Islam has has secular wars since the death of its founder, they divided early and have been killing each other since.

Just as Christiandom
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If some acts centuries ago is suppose to justify the other; today?

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If some acts centuries ago is suppose to justify the other; today?
How long ago did people in Northern Ireland kill each other for being the wrong type of Christians?
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Re: Islamic State executes Scottish aid worker David Haines,

US air strikes in Syria have begun.
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US air strikes in Syria have begun.
Five Arab nations are taking part in the first round of airstrikes in Syria: Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates.
Airstrikes are carried out without the consent of the Syrian government.
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Syria is a sovereign nation, what gives any country the right to bomb it without a UN mandate?
The US doesn't seem to care about the international law for a while now. So the US-led coalition will do what they want.
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How long ago did people in Northern Ireland kill each other for being the wrong type of Christians?
In Northern Ireland the division between the two groups was more to do with politics than religion in my opinion. One group wanted to stay under British rule (mainly prodestant) and the other group wanted to be part of a united Ireland (mainly catholic).
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