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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Changes in central Asia
China has overtaken Russia in recent years to become the largest trading partner for the five post-Soviet central Asian states — Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.
China has invested multi-billions in these countries including building rail and gas pipeline routes.

China is not the friend and supporter of Russia that many people believe.
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No, not awesome. In August 1998 the US fired 75 Tomahawk cruise missiles into Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan from ships.
Which puts Russian technology about 20 years behind the US.


Not to mention the US fired more missiles over a greater distance.


The Russian comment at the time; President Boris Yeltsin condemned the U.S. action as "dishonorable"
the problem with the US action from 1998 is that it was not coordinated nor invited by the local government, and have achieved a dramatic increase in terrorist abilities. 75 missiles have lead to september 11 and more... we will see if the Russian action will be more effective.
additionally there is such a think as being ahead of the times.

The Russian actions today are awesome because they are needed, invited and in line with the times.
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Old 15.10.2015, 11:04
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No, not awesome. In August 1998 the US fired 75 Tomahawk cruise missiles into Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan from ships.
Which puts Russian technology about 20 years behind the US.
Not to mention the US fired more missiles over a greater distance.
The Russian comment at the time; President Boris Yeltsin condemned the U.S. action as "dishonorable"
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the problem with the US action from 1998 is that it was not coordinated nor invited by the local government, and have achieved a dramatic increase in terrorist abilities. 75 missiles have lead to september 11 and more... we will see if the Russian action will be more effective.
additionally there is such a think as being ahead of the times.
The Russian actions today are awesome because they are needed, invited and in line with the times.
Clearly your expectation of "awesome" has a much lower threshold than mine
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Old 15.10.2015, 11:15
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Chinese population and influence in Siberia has grown alot recently, while Russian population there is dwindling. That's making Moscow nervous.

Why China Will Reclaim Siberia

China's Growing Interest in Siberia

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There are just 6 million Russians left on the Siberian side of the border with China. Ninety million Chinese, backed by a voracious economy, live on the other side. China's influence in Russia's far east is growing rapidly and Siberia has become the raw material supplier to Beijing's economic miracle.
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The Chinese are invading Russia, not with tanks but with suitcases, according to Alexander Shaikin, head of the border control at the Federal Border Guard Service. He stated June 29 that over the past 18 months 1.5 million Chinese have illegally entered Russia's Far East, as reported by The Moscow Times. While Shaikin's claim is likely exaggerated, increased Chinese migration marks a return of Chinese influence to historically Chinese territories. https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/ru...urning-chinese
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Old 15.10.2015, 12:29
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Chinese population and influence in Siberia has grown alot recently, while Russian population there is dwindling. That's making Moscow nervous.

Why China Will Reclaim Siberia

China's Growing Interest in Siberia


Yes it would make sense for China to roll into Siberia. They need the natural resources and have the money to properly exploit them; unlike Russia.
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The Russian actions today are awesome because they are needed, invited and in line with the times.
I wonder how well received your enthusiasm would be amongst a syrian refugee camp. Care to give it a try?
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Old 16.10.2015, 04:43
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I wonder how well received your enthusiasm would be amongst a syrian refugee camp. Care to give it a try?
Shouldn't be an issue. Syrian refugees (even the purely economic 'refugees') assert that they're fleeing the violence of IS. Russia is severely weakening IS on a daily basis. IS will eventually have to capitulate, negotiate a political solution or be eliminated completely, now that someone is really after them in earnest.

Why, then, would any such refugee be displeased with the weakening and/or demise of IS?
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Clearly your expectation of "awesome" has a much lower threshold than mine
and that's why you're a forum legend
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I wonder how well received your enthusiasm would be amongst a syrian refugee camp. Care to give it a try?
I could not give a shit about refugees. I never asked for a handout in my life, and I have went through some tough times in my life.

The people created their culture and their culture is now killing them. Not to mention that their culture has been killing a lot of westerners over the year, its about time that their killing stay in their home. them.
But, yes, the hot young babes should all be saved.
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Old 16.10.2015, 15:13
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I could not give a shit about refugees. I never asked for a handout in my life, and I have went through some tough times in my life.

The people created their culture and their culture is now killing them. Not to mention that their culture has been killing a lot of westerners over the year, its about time that their killing stay in their home. them.
But, yes, the hot young babes should all be saved.
Are you for real or just trolling us?
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...The people created their culture and their culture is now killing them. Not to mention that their culture has been killing a lot of westerners...
Most Middle Easterners are not jihadists. Most Middle Eastern culture doesn't condone the radical, violent ambitions of jihadists. To blame Middle Easterners in general for the conduct of jihadists is no more intellectually honest than blaming all Swiss for the conduct of Swiss football hooligans.

From where I sit, what has inflamed and fueled jihadist sentiment (and ultimately IS) has been largely US involvement. For some decades, Middle-Easterners have bemoaned the meddlesome presence of American troops and businessmen opportunists calling the shots in their countries. Then the US dumped untold weapons, supplies and (supposedly a modicum of very expensive) training on so-called "moderate" Syrian rebels, stupidly thinking they would advance the US agenda of removing Assad for refusing to be another US puppet, when in fact those resources enabled the very emergence of IS.

So no, the culture responsible for what's happening is largely the interventionist culture of Washington, not that of Syria or the rest of the Middle East.
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

I can understand your point of view but I do not agree with you. Every nation in this world has created their own lawn and their own culture and the way their tens of million of their people live is made by their minds and actions. You can not blame McDonalds because your eat it every day and have health problems... Just like Europe uses their minds to ban genetically modified crap...

additionally you can not attack and terrorize and kill McDonalds employees for your decisions and actions.

The police is there for a reason and the world police is there for a reason.

People need to take responsibility for their own actions, lives, and culture.
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Old 17.10.2015, 01:32
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So no, the culture responsible for what's happening is largely the interventionist culture of Washington, not that of Syria or the rest of the Middle East.
They've been having tribal/religious factional wars in the Middle East long before the US was even a country. It's endless. The US presence there temporarily shifted some balances, but that's about it. Now they're backing out. Russia's moving in. I wish Russia all the best.

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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Nuke them from orbit.
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Old 19.10.2015, 22:59
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The Foreign Ministry received information about the incident from the pilots of the plane in which the speaker was traveling. They said a French Air Force plane had approached the Russian aircraft.
"We began checking this information, and the French ambassador to Russia was summoned to the Foreign Ministry… The ambassador took time out to clarify the circumstances.
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"The Swiss fighter plane F/A-18 approached a Russian plane in Swiss airspace over the city of Biel within the framework of a standard procedure of police control in the air. It happened at 10:22, local time (11:22, Moscow time," DDPS spokesman Peter Minder said on Monday.
"It was a standard procedure adopted in Switzerland," he said. "There is nothing unusual in this."
Answering a TASS question whether the incident was dangerous, he said "no." Minder also said that the Swiss military pilot only wanted to identify the plane. According to him, Switzerland conducts about 100 similar checks per year on average.
Russia summoned the French ambassador and "demanded explanations" after a plane carrying a politician was asked in a routine procedure to identify itself over Switzerland by the Swiss Air Force. Maybe Russia should do a little fact-checking before they start summoning ambassadors and trying to create news scandals?
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They've been having tribal/religious factional wars in the Middle East long before the US was even a country. It's endless. The US presence there temporarily shifted some balances, but that's about it. Now they're backing out. Russia's moving in. I wish Russia all the best.
I bet they will be glad to watch how Russia fails...
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I bet they will be glad to watch how Russia fails...
A «Russian failure» is hardly a foregone conclusion. Whereas Washington has primarily attacked Syrian civilian infrastructure and pro-Assad populations, Moscow is concentrating on everything militarily connected to the IS, regardless of whether it was funded by Washington or not.

Russia could well bring the IS leadership to either capitulate or negotiate by reducing their military capacity to almost nothing, which is exactly what the Russian/Syrian cooperative agenda seems to be. (And they're not exactly failing with that agenda so far.)
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Old 20.10.2015, 20:24
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A «Russian failure» is hardly a foregone conclusion.
A «Russian victory» is hardly a foregone conclusion as well
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LOL, Russia is really milking this routine request to ID a Russian diplomatic plane over Switzerland my Swiss military. It's been headline news on TASS for several days now

Switzerland: "Sorry if you get freaked out and have panic attacks when we ask you to identify your planes in routine procedures"
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Russia: "We accept your apology, and don't let it happen again"
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"Taking into account the fact that Switzerland has expressed its regret, we call on Bern to refrain from such risky incidents and not call to question the country’s reputation as a venue for major international events," the ministry said.
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Russia could well bring the IS leadership to either capitulate or negotiate by reducing their military capacity to almost nothing, which is exactly what the Russian/Syrian cooperative agenda seems to be. (And they're not exactly failing with that agenda so far.)
Seems unlikely that Russia would aim to rebuild Syria as it was five years ago. They're probably focusing on the relatively densely populated western areas in order to protect their very own interests, aka military base and ports.
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