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That's ONE incident, and Russia's business in the matter had to do with local warlords inflicting violence on civilians ON RUSSIA'S BORDER.

Compare that with the DOZENS of US invasions and regime changes in overseas countries in just the past decade or two, FAR AND AWAY from US borders (e.g., Yemen, Afghanistan, Ivory Coast, Iraq, Haiti, Pakistan, Lebanon, Somalia, Libya, Syria). We're talking MILLIONS OF DEAD CIVILIANS.
You're essentially justifying one aggression by the other. That's on the intellectual level of a six-year old who argues that it's Ok to box the other kid because some other kid does, too.

One can easily find tons of articles by trustworthy media on how Russia keeps shifting the border marks into Georgian territory, slowly annexing foreign (often fruitful private-owned) land bit by bit. That's clear aggression.

There's also Abchasia. Chechnia. Crimea. Rest of Ukraine. etc.

Speaking of Georgian warlords ... look up Emzar Kvitsiani, a Georgian warlord who was living in and protected by Russia for eight years after he had to flee from Georgia. Aslan Abashidze, a Georgian autokrat relying on military might, is now in exile in Russia, obviously also protected by Putin. I wonder where these folks used to get his weapons from - clearly not from the west as the legal Georgian government was and is supported by the west.

You do exactly the same you reproach others doing:
You keep ignoring the bad stuff.
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Old 02.09.2016, 13:05
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Old 02.09.2016, 13:32
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You're essentially justifying one aggression by the other...
And I suppose you think you're not?

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...One can easily find tons of articles by trustworthy media on how Russia keeps shifting the border marks into Georgian territory, slowly annexing foreign (often fruitful private-owned) land bit by bit. That's clear aggression...
US foreign meddling in past decades has been on at least an order of magnitude (if not more) beyond what you're describing. They've not been mere border disputes or "annexations" — they've been full-scale, illegal and unprovoked WARS (i.e., invasions, occupations, bombardments, violent coups d'état) against entire populations and infrastructures of whole countries that haven't harmed or threatened the US in any way, every one of them thousands of miles — whole oceans and continents — away from ANY US border. And you want to justify all that mass death and destruction by pointing to a few petty disputes right on Russia's very border — and then add insult to injury by comparing ME to a six-year-old?

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There's also...Crimea. Rest of Ukraine. etc...
Russia has attacked neither Crimea nor Ukraine. Your trotting them out as examples of "Russian aggression" is an act of abject delusion. Only minions of the official (but 100% fabricated) US/EU/NATO narrative are still doing that, and will mindlessly continue to do so ad nauseum until the official narrative changes (or they/you wake up). (I'm not holding my breath.)

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...Speaking of Georgian warlords...
Good grief! Try some pre-post fact-checking, kid: Emzar Kvitsiani was arrested two years ago and sentenced to 12 years in jail in Georgia. Aslan Abashidze is a politician, not a "warlord".

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...You keep ignoring the bad stuff.
On the contrary — there's no "bad stuff" whatsoever in Russia's recent history that comes anywhere close to the wholesale death and destruction wrought by the Washington-driven agenda of hegemony in recent decades. Trotting out a few border disputes ON RUSSIA'S BORDERS simply cannot compare to Washington's unprovoked, deadly, destructive meddling in other nations WHOLE OCEANS AND CONTINENTS AWAY FROM ANY US BORDER.

Indeed, it is YOU who keeps ignoring the REAL bad stuff (to be specific, US wholesale invasions, occupations, bombardments and violent coups d'état), while ironically presuming to justify the very same evils by whining about a handful of petty border disputes.

DON'T BELIEVE ME? Compare your own "knowledge" with the facts of someone's life who was once actually a part of making it all happen:
Confessions of an Economic Hitman
…Or the more recent Family of Secrets.
Both are well-documented with plenty of fact-corroborating references.

Full disclosure: I have nothing to gain whatsoever from advocating the purchase and/or reading of the aforementioned books.
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Old 02.09.2016, 21:37
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

The Campaign to Blame Putin for Everything
Who’s behind it?

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This is how a corporate scam turns into a political scam. Reporters looking for “experts” to verify what they already believe, and government officials and partisan players who have a similar agenda, are all too willing to suspend disbelief. A combination of technical ignorance, laziness, and extreme bias produces the kind of “journalism” that is fueling the campaign to attribute every case of hacking to the Russians.

It’s all so transparent, and yet with practically every “mainstream” media outlet echoing the same conspiracy theory, the effect is self-reinforcing. This is how fiction becomes “fact.”
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Old 02.09.2016, 22:06
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The Campaign to Blame Putin for Everything
Who’s behind it?

A few excerpts:
This is how a corporate scam turns into a political scam. Reporters looking for “experts” to verify what they already believe, and government officials and partisan players who have a similar agenda, are all too willing to suspend disbelief. A combination of technical ignorance, laziness, and extreme bias produces the kind of “journalism” that is fueling the campaign to attribute every case of hacking to the Russians.

It’s all so transparent, and yet with practically every “mainstream” media outlet echoing the same conspiracy theory, the effect is self-reinforcing. This is how fiction becomes “fact.”
"to attribute every case of hacking to the Russians." Not all! The Chinese also play a part
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Old 18.09.2016, 21:46
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

Russian parliament elections today!
"It is enough that the people know there was an election.
The people who cast the votes decide nothing.
The people who count the votes decide everything."
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Old 03.10.2016, 21:00
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Top 7 Ways Vladimir Putin Has Alienated America
A look at all the horrible ways Putin has wounded America
And now "Vladimir Putin orders suspension of weapons-grade plutonium disposal program with 'unfriendly' US"

Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree to suspend an agreement with the United States on the disposing of weapons-grade plutonium.

That is great shame; more steps in the wrong direction.

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Old 08.10.2016, 23:16
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Re: Russia and NATO in the News

The Venezuelan president, Nicolás Maduro, yesterday announced the creation of a peace prize in honour of the late socialist leader Hugo Chávez, and said he was awarding it to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin.

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Old 08.10.2016, 23:32
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The Venezuelan president, Nicolás Maduro, yesterday announced the creation of a peace prize in honour of the late socialist leader Hugo Chávez, and said he was awarding it to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin.

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Why struggle so hard to find examples of absurd peace prize awards. Here is one so ridiculous that the peace prize itself has been damaged beyond salvation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Nobel_Peace_Prize
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Old 14.10.2016, 13:37
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Russian media is really going off the wheels lately with Anti-Americanism and threats of war. Is Putin just sabre-rattling to instill fear in his population in order to keep his power and his enemies guessing? Or is he actually preparing for war? There are so many parallels to Hitler and Germany in the 1930's from the Olympics, to Crimea/Sudetenland, to Spain/Syria, to the nationalism and demanding "respect", etc.. Nobody really took Hitler too seriously in the 1930's either.

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With diplomatic relations between Moscow and Washington at their lowest point since the Cold War, turning on Russian television can be an alarming experience. For the past month, Russian media outlets have been punctuated with reports asking people whether they are ready for nuclear war.
"If it should one day happen, every one of you should know where the nearest bomb shelter is. It’s best to find out now," according to one particularly fevered report on the Russian state-owned channel, NTV.
Russia’s main current affairs show, hosted by a presenter known by critics as the country’s propagandist-in-chief, recently spent two hours warning that Russia would defend itself with nuclear arms.
"We’ve had it with American abuse over Syria," the show’s host, Evgeny Kiselyov, told his audience. "Impudent behavior," from the U.S. towards Russia, he said, can now take on "nuclear dimensions."
Anti-Americanism is not rare on Russian state news, nor is an inclination for the apocalyptic. But more notable than the intensity of the warnings has been how Russian government ministries have joined in the alarms in recent weeks. Since September, Russia has conducted a nationwide civil defense drill, purportedly involving 40 million people, preparing them for catastrophes -- among them nuclear fallout. Russia’s military announced who would run the country in the event of war and ran an exercise simulating that in the south. The governor of St. Petersburg clarified what bread rations people could expect should Russia come under attack (300 grams for 20 days).
https://gma.yahoo.com/russian-televi...pstories.html#

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One of the newer entries to that list is an updating of the Russian military’s longtime interest in operations of deceit and disguise, a repertoire of lethal tricks known as maskirovka, or masking. It is a psychological warfare doctrine that is becoming an increasingly critical element in the country’s geopolitical ambitions.
Russia’s most recent military deployments began with operations involving this doctrine: with literally masked and mystery soldiers in Crimea in 2014, soldiers said to be “vacationing” or “volunteering” in eastern Ukraine and a “humanitarian airlift” to Syria in 2015.
As the Russian incursion in Ukraine unfolded, Moscow sent a “humanitarian” convoy of whitewashed military vehicles to the rebellious eastern provinces. The trucks were later found to be mostly empty, prompting speculation that they had been sent there to deter a Ukrainian counteroffensive against rebels.
The idea behind maskirovka is to keep the enemy guessing, never admitting your true intentions, always denying your activities and using all means political and military to maintain an edge of surprise for your soldiers. The doctrine, military analysts say, is in this sense “multilevel.” It draws no distinction between disguising a soldier as a bush or a tree with green and patterned clothing, a lie of a sort, and high-level political disinformation and cunning evasions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/wo...rsm=Email&_r=0
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Old 14.10.2016, 13:58
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Thanks, I suspect the various sanctions against Russia are starting to hurt the population.

Although the last elections appeared to show good support for the United Russia party with 54% of the vote only 48% of voters bothered to vote.

There were some strange results like Chechnya where over 90% voted and 96% voted for the United Russia party.
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Russian media is really going off the wheels lately with Anti-Americanism and threats of war. Is Putin just sabre-rattling to instill fear in his population in order to keep his power and his enemies guessing? Or is he actually preparing for war?
Russia is a very weak country on the global play field. Its economy is the size of... Spain. Despite its legacy of decent education, economy-wise it is, as someone put it, An Arab country with trees. (Certainly with the exception of its military industry). They cannot challenge any global player.
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Old 14.10.2016, 22:26
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Russia orders all officials to fly home any relatives living abroad, as tensions mount over the prospect of a global war

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Quite a worry really!
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Old 14.10.2016, 22:46
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Russia orders all officials to fly home any relatives living abroad, as tensions mount over the prospect of a global war

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Quite a worry really!
It is. Or is it? With Russia you never know...part of Judo-master Putin's guessing game to keep his opponents off balance?

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The linked article does talk about an informal request to high ranking government officials to bring children back to Russia, but for different reasons. Many children of rich officials live and study abroad in order to get western education and learn languages. This is considered unpatriotic and Putin is pressuring to stop this practice. It had happened before when some minister was fired because his children were growing up in France. The article does not say it is due to impeding war.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/c..._fly_home_any/

http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/12/put...als-to-return/
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Quite a worry really!
They made all the closest Putin's men sell their foreign assets so that they behave loyally - maybe that's simply part of it?
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Old 15.10.2016, 00:22
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They made all the closest Putin's men sell their foreign assets so that they behave loyally - maybe that's simply part of it?
True, it is easy to command people's loyalty when you control their families
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A little nugget in the news today...

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NatWest bank has frozen the accounts of state-run broadcaster Russia Today (RT), its editor-in-chief says.
Margarita Simonyan tweeted: "They've closed our accounts in Britain. All our accounts. 'The decision is not subject to review.' Praise be to freedom of speech!"
RT says the bank has given no explanation for its decision.
It said the entire Royal Bank of Scotland Group, of which NatWest is part, was refusing to service RT.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37677020
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The aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, part of the Russian fleet heading past Hastings earlier today
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The aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, part of the Russian fleet heading past Hastings earlier today
Look at the smoke; surely not a coal burner
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Old 22.10.2016, 01:14
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Look at the smoke; surely not a coal burner
It could well be by the look of it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ical-problems/
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