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Erdogan is a master of deception
He successfully steered the discussion away from his lavish expenditures to this:
Erdogan: Muslims discovered America not Columbus
I know, I saw this.

It makes him look like the foul he is. Seriously? The Muslims were the first on the moon too...

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He missed the next logical step that consequently Turkey should love America?
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Yeah, I saw that the other day. Still doesn't beat the Vikings who were 200 years before them. So the Norsemen still hold the prize.
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He successfully steered the discussion away from his lavish expenditures to this:
Erdogan: Muslims discovered America not Columbus
It is actually true.

According to the original story (successfully hidden by the roman catholic church), Columbus set foot on land and immediately ordered a döner-kebap on the island. Then, he visited the local shopping mall where it was sale. Afterwards, he could only remember the word "indirim" and called the locals the "indirims", which was over time transformed to Indians.
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He successfully steered the discussion away from his lavish expenditures to this:
Erdogan: Muslims discovered America not Columbus
That claim justifies Islamist calls for Sharia in the Americas. Next one is proof Neil Armstrong converted to Islam, then we can have Sharia on the moon.

If only Sharia was much harsher on leaders than common criminals.
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Yeah, I saw that the other day. Still doesn't beat the Vikings who were 200 years before them. So the Norsemen still hold the prize.
Bah--the Asians had them both beat by about 10000 years
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Yeah, I saw that the other day. Still doesn't beat the Vikings who were 200 years before them. So the Norsemen still hold the prize.
I suppose the aboriginal natives aren't considered human enough. Tsk.
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Erdogan is a master of deception
He successfully steered the discussion away from his lavish expenditures to this:
Erdogan: Muslims discovered America not Columbus
Good to see the Muslim world kicked on from this momentous occasion and now stands as a pillar of endeavor and enlightenment for the rest of the world to hold in awe.

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I suppose the aboriginal natives aren't considered human enough. Tsk.
True story.

The father of s friend of mine is a true Turkish patriot to an excessive extend we can say. The first time he met me, he asked me where I was from. I told him Canada. But Your family, he asked. From Canada too, upto the colonization. It didn't satisfied him, so he asked for more details. Apparently, I don't look Canadian enough.

So I told him that we were descendants of the French and Spanish colons who came first to Canada. They mixed and marry, some with native Americans.

There you go! He said. You are a Turk!



And he told me that those who came from the Bering strait came from turkey. So the native Americans where, in fact, Turks.

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I know, I saw this.

It makes him look like the foul he is. Seriously? The Muslims were the first on the moon too...

He's talking as if "Muslim" is a nationality...
Yeah, "Christians" were the first on the moon, didn't you know...
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Re: Erdogan's 1,000 room palace

Just goes to demonstrate Ayn Rand's logic, "A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race—and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin."

Enough morons start voicing out about the superiority of their group, their group will begin to be associated with its morons.
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And he told me that those who came from the Bering strait came from turkey. So the native Americans where, in fact, Turks.
This is just about what is being taught in the schools there.
Byzantium is ignored, the Greek even more. It really started all with the Turks.
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Re: Erdogan's 1,000 room palace

Pathetic attempts to associate with greatness. The truly great have no need to prove it. He's building up the Turks to a level of chauvinism that will take great suffering just to bring back down to earth. I'm not envying the Turks in Turkey at all. Ataturk must be rolling in his grave.
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It is actually true.

According to the original story (successfully hidden by the roman catholic church), Columbus set foot on land and immediately ordered a döner-kebap on the island. Then, he visited the local shopping mall where it was sale. Afterwards, he could only remember the word "indirim" and called the locals the "indirims", which was over time transformed to Indians.
Strangely although Columbus was sponsored by the Roman catholic church almost all his crew were Hasidic Jews. Nobody wanted to sail with Columbus because they thought they would die; consequently Columbus was allowed to select his crew from the torture cellars of the Inquisition - who were happy to go because they would die anyway.

So now we can have the interesting debate about who were the first Americans Muslim or Jewish; or Vikings of course.
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So now we can have the interesting debate about who were the first Americans Muslim or Jewish; or Vikings of course.
I couldn't care less. The sun is the next frontier, and North Korea is ahead of everybody else
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When you can't face the facts...

Fact is that Erdogan could use the Slogan of Harold Macmillan You have never had it as good as now . Erdogan is
- successful in economic matters
- has vastly improved the relations with the Arab World
- reformed and demilitarised laws
- improved the relations with the Kurds


I just fear the megalomania looming around the corner
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Fact is that Erdogan could use the Slogan of Harold Macmillan You have never had it as good as now . Erdogan is
- successful in economic matters
- has vastly improved the relations with the Arab World
- reformed and demilitarised laws
- improved the relations with the Kurds


I just fear the megalomania looming around the corner
I can not agree with any of the points (but then I have recently become a big cynic in all issues where AKP and erdogan are involved):
- economy: he was lucky to have come to power after the financial crisis in 2001. A lot of banks were forced to clean up and some weaker ones had to close. The economy was at the bottom. AND we had major central banks pumping ridiculous amounts of liquidity. So almost all EM countries benefited from this flood of low interest funding
- Arabs: thanks to Davutoglu and his master, Turkey now has one maybe two neighbors with good relations. Same story with Arab nations; Syria, Iraq, UAE, Egypt, Libya, Saudis.. maybe only good with Muslim brotherhood and Hamas
- Laws: yes his residing in the unlawful 1000room palace is a good proof where we stand with justice in Turkey. Countless examples about the current stance of justice in Turkey in media. If you are referring to eliminating the power of military in government, you are right.. he succeeded in that but nothing has changed with respect to old anti-democratic practices. Individuals, minorities, certain religious/social groups still get oppressed or worse now by guidance of a different government -ok maybe different groups this time.
- Kurds: very good relations indeed. Now PKK has defacto government in South East

When his supporters finally see where the country is heading and decide to vote elsewhere (which is not likely in the near future unfortunately), there will be huge repercussions and he/his family/friends/partners will witness their illegal fortunes vanish in seconds since everything is documented and on internet -his attempts to destroy evidence only succeeds locally in Turkey
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Fact is that Erdogan could use the Slogan of Harold Macmillan You have never had it as good as now . Erdogan is
- successful in economic matters
- has vastly improved the relations with the Arab World
- reformed and demilitarised laws
- improved the relations with the Kurds


I just fear the megalomania looming around the corner
About "- successful in economic matters" -
Turkey's seasonally-adjusted unemployment rate jumped to a three-and-half-year high in June.
Data released by the Turkish Statistical Institute Monday showed that Turkey's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate rose to 9.9% in June, the highest level since January 2011 and up from 9.5% in May.

Turkey's economic growth slowed to 2.1% in the second-quarter because of weak domestic demand from a revised 4.7% expansion in the first quarter. The Turkish Economy Minister Nihat Zeybekci and Finance Minister Mehmet Simsek said Turkey may miss its 4% official growth target this year.
The currency is around 20% down vs the US$ over 2 years.

About "- has vastly improved the relations with the Arab World"
The Turkish leadership, which used to praise its foreign policy based on the philosophy of “zero problems with neighbors,” has become the odd man out in the region due to its currently troubled relations with Arab countries.

Ankara’s policy towards Egypt has put it at odds not only with Cairo, but also with Gulf states. This comes at a time when Turkey is already under stress from the war in Syria, and has cold relations with Iraq and Iran also Libya, Tunisia and all Arab Spring countries.

About " improved the relations with the Kurds" - One month ago; The Turkish army deployed tanks in Diyarbakir, the main city in the country's Kurdish region, to enforce a curfew after 18 people died in protests against the Islamic State siege of the Syrian Kurd city of Kobani, which sits on the border with Turkey.
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I can not agree with any of the points (but then I have recently become a big cynic in all issues where AKP and erdogan are involved):
- economy: he was lucky to have come to power after the financial crisis in 2001. A lot of banks were forced to clean up and some weaker ones had to close. The economy was at the bottom. AND we had major central banks pumping ridiculous amounts of liquidity. So almost all EM countries benefited from this flood of low interest funding
- Arabs: thanks to Davutoglu and his master, Turkey now has one maybe two neighbors with good relations. Same story with Arab nations; Syria, Iraq, UAE, Egypt, Libya, Saudis.. maybe only good with Muslim brotherhood and Hamas
- Laws: yes his residing in the unlawful 1000room palace is a good proof where we stand with justice in Turkey. Countless examples about the current stance of justice in Turkey in media. If you are referring to eliminating the power of military in government, you are right.. he succeeded in that but nothing has changed with respect to old anti-democratic practices. Individuals, minorities, certain religious/social groups still get oppressed or worse now by guidance of a different government -ok maybe different groups this time.
- Kurds: very good relations indeed. Now PKK has defacto government in South East

When his supporters finally see where the country is heading and decide to vote elsewhere (which is not likely in the near future unfortunately), there will be huge repercussions and he/his family/friends/partners will witness their illegal fortunes vanish in seconds since everything is documented and on internet -his attempts to destroy evidence only succeeds locally in Turkey

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With the Arab nations in question I mean the heavyweights, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, plus the financially important countries UAE, Qatar, Oman and Saudi Arabia, plus the politically influential Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan


Back to Turkey. As soon as the CHP (Cumhuriyet Halk Partisi / Republican People's Party) re-unites with some split aways they will have the majority in parliament, as the AKP never won a majority of votes
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About "- successful in economic matters" -
Turkey's seasonally-adjusted unemployment rate jumped to a three-and-half-year high in June.
Data released by the Turkish Statistical Institute Monday showed that Turkey's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate rose to 9.9% in June, the highest level since January 2011 and up from 9.5% in May.

Turkey's economic growth slowed to 2.1% in the second-quarter because of weak domestic demand from a revised 4.7% expansion in the first quarter. The Turkish Economy Minister Nihat Zeybekci and Finance Minister Mehmet Simsek said Turkey may miss its 4% official growth target this year.
The currency is around 20% down vs the US$ over 2 years.

About "- has vastly improved the relations with the Arab World"
The Turkish leadership, which used to praise its foreign policy based on the philosophy of “zero problems with neighbors,” has become the odd man out in the region due to its currently troubled relations with Arab countries.

Ankara’s policy towards Egypt has put it at odds not only with Cairo, but also with Gulf states. This comes at a time when Turkey is already under stress from the war in Syria, and has cold relations with Iraq and Iran also Libya, Tunisia and all Arab Spring countries.

About " improved the relations with the Kurds" - One month ago; The Turkish army deployed tanks in Diyarbakir, the main city in the country's Kurdish region, to enforce a curfew after 18 people died in protests against the Islamic State siege of the Syrian Kurd city of Kobani, which sits on the border with Turkey.

Mr Erdogan as a matter of REALPOLITIK has to drop his friends at the Muslim Brotherhood --- his trouble is that the previous friends at ISIS gradually become a serious nuisance to Turkey
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