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Old 05.12.2014, 00:51
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By the way, I am not sure the EU concerns itself with citizen rights. I believe they operate on the national level, and expect citizen rights to be managed by each state.
They most certainly do! Browse the Charter on Fundamental Rights, it is the starting point for EU directives etc, which become law in the member states. These rights are far more extensive than most people imagine and cover things such as:
- the right of minors to be consulted in legal matters concerning them
- the right of access to education and training
- the right to medical care
- the right to life
- the right to diplomatic protection from all or any of the member states in situations were the citizen's own state is unable to provide such protection.
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They most certainly do! Browse the Charter on Fundamental Rights, it is the starting point for EU directives etc, which become law in the member states. These rights are far more extensive than most people imagine and cover things such as:
- the right of minors to be consulted in legal matters concerning them
- the right of access to education and training
- the right to medical care
- the right to life
- the right to diplomatic protection from all or any of the member states in situations were the citizen's own state is unable to provide such protection.
And much more.
Isn't it amazing that the first article is this?
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Old 05.12.2014, 01:29
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This is funny. I assume he speaks perfect English and is just being awkward. The BBC reporter was very polite

To go to a press conference held in German and demand that people speak English is NOT polite
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Re: UK targets East Europe immigrants

Someone wrote in this thread about Rivers-of-Blood speech - seems not that far from what today one might read in some newspapers or hear;
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech
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Someone wrote in this thread about Rivers-of-Blood speech - seems not that far from what today one might read in some newspapers or hear;
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech
Not even one little thing that hasn't been repeated and somehow gained ground, as I could see, only that we're talking now about "white and Christian". (he did speak up people's minds) Mirrors, eh?

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“For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition, their plans and prospects for the future defeated; at work they found that employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker; they began to hear, as time went by, more and more voices which told them that they were now the unwanted. On top of this, they now learn that a one-way privilege is to be established by Act of Parliament; a law which cannot, and is not intended to, operate to protect them or redress their grievances, is to be enacted to give the stranger, the disgruntled and the agent provocateur the power to pillory them for their private actions.[7]
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Powell argued that although "many thousands" of immigrants wanted to integrate, he contended that the majority did not, and that some had vested interests in fostering racial and religious differences "with a view to the exercise of actual domination, first over fellow-immigrants and then over the rest of the population".[8] Powell's peroration of the speech gave rise to its popular title. He quotes the Sibyl prophesies in the epic poem Aeneid, 6, 86–87, of "wars, terrible wars, / and the Tiber foaming with much blood."
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Old 05.12.2014, 12:00
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Re: UK targets East Europe immigrants

I fail to see how this relates to my argument.
But congrats, it's funny.
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Old 05.12.2014, 12:12
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By the way, I am not sure the EU concerns itself with citizen rights. I believe they operate on the national level, and expect citizen rights to be managed by each state.
You need to read further on this.

The European Court of Human Rights protects human rights in Europe. It is not an EU organisation but of the Council of Europe, however every EU member is also a member of the Council of Europe.
So you can accuse the EU of not doing a lot about human rights if you choose to ignore the fact that human rights in Europe are supposed to be protected by an organisation that was there long before the EU.
From Wikipedia: Cases cannot be brought in ECtHR against the European Union but the Court has ruled that states cannot escape their human rights obligations by saying that they were implementing EU law.
Furthermore, the EU is in the final steps of acceding to the European Convention on Human Rights, which will allow cases against the EU to be brought to the ECtHR.
Accession of the European Union to the European Convention on Human Rights
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Old 05.12.2014, 12:40
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You need to read further on this.

The European Court of Human Rights protects human rights in Europe. It is not an EU organisation but of the Council of Europe, however every EU member is also a member of the Council of Europe.

Yes, clear, thanks. I wasn't sure if the ECJ itself technically upheld rights, or it just provided a framework it requires its members to meet. I assumed they provided the standard, and member states then make sure they are in accordance to it. I'm not sure what kind of "teeth" the ECJ courts have at a national level.

It seems the implementation of EU rights are done at the national level, along with its own constitution. Where there is a conflicting interpretation, a ruling can be referred to the ECJ for a ruling to be implemented at the National level. But I'm not sure if a citizen's relationship is to the member state or to the EU.

Is there such a thing as an EU citizenship? Does it issue passports and identification?

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Old 05.12.2014, 13:09
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Yes, clear, thanks. I wasn't sure if the EU itself technically upheld rights, or it just provided a framework it requires its members to meet. I assumed they provided the standard, and member states then make sure they are in accordance to it. I'm not sure what kind of "teeth" the EU courts have at a national level.
The EU Courts ignore anything related to human rights.
If a citizen of any member state of the Council of Europe feels that his or her human rights are being violated the case must be brought to the ECHR.
European citizens can bring cases to the European Court of Justice against an EU member state if they feel that said member state has not applied European law as it should have.
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Old 05.12.2014, 13:15
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The EU Courts ignore anything related to human rights.
If a citizen of any member state of the Council of Europe feels that his or her human rights are being violated the case must be brought to the ECHR.
European citizens can bring cases to the European Court of Justice against an EU member state if they feel that said member state has not applied European law as it should have.
In such cases, the ECJ then asks the State to apply their ruling or kindly leave the union?
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Is there such a thing as an EU citizenship? Does it issue passports and identification?

Not yet, but there's talk of a possible scheme which might include identification chips implanted in citizens' right hands and foreheads to facilitate buying and selling.
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Old 05.12.2014, 13:20
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Not yet, but there's talk of a possible scheme which might include identification chips implanted in citizens' right hands and foreheads to facilitate buying and selling.
From replies of some members it sounds like they already have that kind of 'chips' fitted 'on their shoulders'
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In such cases, the ECJ then asks the State to apply their ruling or kindly leave the union?
Definitely not the latter.
But I suggest you to seek this information in the Wikipedia article on the ECJ as I am not sure I can give a complete answer.
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From replies of some members it sounds like they already have that kind of 'chips' fitted 'on their shoulders'
From what I learn from other threads, this doesn't seem to exclusively apply to EU countries
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Not yet, but there's talk of a possible scheme which might include identification chips implanted in citizens' right hands and foreheads to facilitate buying and selling.
What?
Where do I apply?
I want it yesterday.



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From replies of some members it sounds like they already have that kind of 'chips' fitted 'on their shoulders'
WOW, touché.
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What?
Where do I apply?
I want it yesterday.




WOW, touché.
The chips must have come in XL size for some then?
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The chips must have come in XL size for some then?
Seriously dude, we got the joke the first time.
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I just feel wonderfully smug, living a long way away from that grey, damp, dogshit smeared nation so many people seem to be desperate to move to.


Same here. I'll stay put and complain about this place so it doesn't get too crowded. The boat is full I say.

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Same here. I'll stay put and complain about this place so it doesn't get too crowded. The boat is full I say.


Please tell the name of this road
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Please tell the name of this road
Rathausgasse in Baden. But don't tell anybody; it's full (see that woman standing in the street?), we don't want anyone else to go there.
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