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Old 03.12.2014, 10:52
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Re: UK targets East Europe immigrants

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There are plenty of foreign people who immigrate into here just to scam the system, make up invisible children, demand housing and the whole lot, in the same way there are plenty of UK nationals who are desperate to work but cannot find a job.
Could someone point me in the direction of actual facts and figures on this? I keep hearing it over and over, but so far I have failed to find any hard facts on the topic...
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Old 03.12.2014, 11:25
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Could someone point me in the direction of actual facts and figures on this? I keep hearing it over and over, but so far I have failed to find any hard facts on the topic...
Actual facts and the EF do not tally. It's a world of urban legends and heard it thru the grapevine stories. Trust me, I tell ya - therefore it must be true

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Could someone point me in the direction of actual facts and figures on this? I keep hearing it over and over, but so far I have failed to find any hard facts on the topic...
People tend not to register to official authorities that they are claiming a benefit they are not entitled to, or have actually decided to claim benefit and not try hard to look for work.

Here are some figures on people in the UK actively searching for work: http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...acancies-ratio
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Nope. Utterly clueless. Point proven again.
That's not the way people argue, is it?
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Old 03.12.2014, 12:26
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That's not the way people argue, is it?

Neither is putting words into people's mouths.


Act like a moron and you'll get treated like a moron.
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Re: UK targets East Europe immigrants

I've clearly written that it was my understanding. Be so kind and write in for-a-moron simplified English what you'd meant.
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Old 03.12.2014, 13:59
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I've clearly written that it was my understanding. Be so kind and write in for-a-moron simplified English what you'd meant.

Why? It's pretty clear what I think: when it comes to immigration into the United Kingdom, precedence should go to citizens of Commonwealth countries.


The rest of the crap you wrote was just a figment of your imagination.
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Re: UK targets East Europe immigrants

Neither kind nor answering the question.
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Where's the force here ? Its a voluntary move between countries to look for work. If the work isn't suitable, dont take it, if in the end there are no suitable paying jobs, then the search has not proven successful and go to next country / return home or whatever is next.
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Force like in constrained, compelled by economic, financial circumstances, i.e. a job is better than no job, or than a less/poorly payed job in your country, I think you know what I mean.
Totally agree with the voluntary move between countries to look for work, that's the whole idea. Look for better professional opportunities the same way as the capital is moving searching for bigger profits.
In the end why is that bad? Salaries in the poorer countries will grow (obviously employers will have to motivate better in order to find people who otherwise would have other options elsewhere), more employed people will create more jobs for other people, finally people will feel less tempted to move once the economy is better.
Culture in UK will be saved! (sorry I couldn't resist, I know what you meant but it strikes me as something a bit ridiculous given the fact that UK is already a pretty multi-cultural country)

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Force like in constrained, compelled by economic, financial circumstances, i.e. a job is better than no job, or than a less/poorly payed job in your country, I think you know what I mean.
Totally agree with the voluntary move between countries to look for work, that's the whole idea. Look for better professional opportunities the same way as the capital is moving searching for bigger profits.
In the end why is that bad? Salaries in the poorer countries will grow (obviously employers will have to motivate better in order to find people who otherwise would have other options elsewhere), more employed people will create more jobs for other people, finally people will feel less tempted to move once the economy is better.
Culture in UK will be saved! (sorry I couldn't resist, I know what you meant but it strikes me as something a bit ridiculous given the fact that UK is already a pretty multi-cultural country)
It's not necessarily bad. we've managed, in the end, to get right back to the start of the whole conversation: its good, but in the correct volume otherwise it has an unbalancing effect. Some skilled people coming here and paying tax is great as long as the country scales up accordingly in terms of its services. Because the UK has botched that bit completely too many people have come over at once and they didnt judge it correctly.

There has to be a limit, otherwise what would happen if all of Europe tried to crush itself into England, there wouldnt be room to move. So this is what the Government is trying to do. Ironically, one of hte things that has held it up until now is because as soon as you mention limiting immigration of any type there are howls of "you racist thug!" which is why it has now become such an overbearing issue. if they had just had the courage to sort it out nearer the start and set some kind control or at least ensure that the public services were upscaled at the same rate as people arriving, then we wouldnt be in this pickle to start with.
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Old 03.12.2014, 15:23
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Neither kind nor answering the question.

What question?
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Old 03.12.2014, 15:29
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Re: UK targets East Europe immigrants

And what happens when all the Brits who are fed up with the above escape sinking ship and come to ... Switzerland Just sayin...
And all those who want to escape other sinking ships come too... as Switzerland is seen as the last Eldorado by the whole of Europe, Africa and the world?

Switzerland has had much more immigration than the UK proportionally- and with very little available space left. Which is what the Ecopop vote was all about, not racism, and not about the SVP. I am so glad it failed- but I can at least understand what their were about. When I did a Degree in Environmental Studies in the UK (with French and German for B.Ed)- one of our lecturers went on and on about how population explosion would, in the end, be the one and only environmental concern and lead to war on water and basic resources. I was the only mature student on our course, and we all told him he was wrong- but now I realise how right he was. (what the answer is- I haven't got a clue btw).

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Old 03.12.2014, 16:13
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And what happens when all the Brits who are fed up with the above escape sinking ship and come to ... Switzerland Just sayin...
And all those who want to escape other sinking ships come too... as Switzerland is seen as the last Eldorado by the whole of Europe, Africa and the world?

Switzerland has had much more immigration than the UK proportionally- and with very little available space left. Which is what the Ecopop vote was all about, not racism, and not about the SVP. I am so glad it failed- but I can at least understand what their were about. When I did a Degree in Environmental Studies in the UK (with French and German for B.Ed)- one of our lecturers went on and on about how population explosion would, in the end, be the one and only environmental concern and lead to war on water and basic resources. I was the only mature student on our course, and we all told him he was wrong- but now I realise how right he was. (what the answer is- I haven't got a clue btw).
At the end of the day, the world has figured out that it is good to bring all underlying issues onto the "neutral ground"
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Could someone point me in the direction of actual facts and figures on this? I keep hearing it over and over, but so far I have failed to find any hard facts on the topic...
I checked out of curiosity to see if there are stats on the number of Romanians claiming benefits in the UK and came across a report published on the gov.uk website in response to a freedom of information request.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-february-2013

If i read this correctly, there were 1740 Romanians claiming benefits in the UK as at Feb 2013 (couldn't find more recents stats). Not having clear stats on the exact number of Romanians, I would guesstimate a 1%..
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Re: UK targets East Europe immigrants

So far nothing concrete that Cameron wants to do is against EU law.
There are many vague things that he says, but every time he actually specifies what he means (eg send people back if they don't find a job after a while) we see that it is compatible with EU law.
So why all this anti-EU rhetoric?
I guess because he's a politician and he needs to be heard?

I find him absolutely disgusting.
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Re: UK targets East Europe immigrants

He's trying to claw back ex Tory UKIP voters. Simples.
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I checked out of curiosity to see if there are stats on the number of Romanians claiming benefits in the UK and came across a report published on the gov.uk website in response to a freedom of information request.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-february-2013

If i read this correctly, there were 1740 Romanians claiming benefits in the UK as at Feb 2013 (couldn't find more recents stats). Not having clear stats on the exact number of Romanians, I would guesstimate a 1%..
Ukip needed a scapegoat and we seemed like the weakest group.
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Re: UK targets East Europe immigrants

Plus Romanians are perceived as being from the land of gypsies so you have the double Bigot effect. Sad but true.
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Re: UK targets East Europe immigrants

Which is totally tragic- as most Romanians are of course not gipsies. The ones I know are all extremely well educated and have great jobs.

However, and this is also so tragic- most well educated Romanians are extremely racist, as are Bulgarians- about Romanies/gipsies in a very shocking way (later edit).
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Which is totally tragic- as most Romanians are of course not gipsies. The ones I know are all extremely well educated and have great jobs.

However, and this is also so tragic- most well educated Romanians are extremely racist, as are Bulgarians- about Romanies/gipsies in a very shocking was.
So are most Czechs, Slovaks, etc. Odile. Tragically, even most Western Europeans.
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