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I think there is a veiled anti-semitic conspiracy-theory message somewhere.

The last time somebody played that card an Austrian aquarel artist Godwin and something.
Yeah but I have the feeling that DB didn't mean that...
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Old 20.08.2015, 11:41
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Yeah but I have the feeling that DB didn't mean that...
I'm sure he didn't.

But if you believe there are powerful but invisible people pulling strings, this is ultimately what it boils down to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
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I'm sure he didn't.

But if you believe there are powerful but invisible people pulling strings, this is ultimately what it boils down to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
That's called beating around the bush, amogles. Wait, did I say bush..?!
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Re: Pegida marches against Islamisation of Europe

No conspiracy, no invisible strings.

Doesn't anyone read the news any more? Where are these refugees coming from and why?
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No conspiracy, no invisible strings.

Doesn't anyone read the news any more? Where are these refugees coming from and why?
In the meantime
- did Slovakia decide that they will accept a few hundred refugees... but only if they aren't Muslim. http://www.20min.ch/ausland/news/sto...linge-14541538

- did the UK position a police force in Calais to prevent any refugee from reaching it's shore...

- don't get me started on how many refugees get to the US despite the country being largely responsible for the IS mess...

The western countries always claim to have the moral high ground and fought wars based on "that guy is evil, he makes people suffer"... now is the time to live up to the standards and most European countries fail miserably at it.
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No conspiracy, no invisible strings.

Doesn't anyone read the news any more? Where are these refugees coming from and why?
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In the meantime
- did Slovakia decide that they will accept a few hundred refugees... but only if they aren't Muslim. http://www.20min.ch/ausland/news/sto...linge-14541538

- did the UK position a police force in Calais to prevent any refugee from reaching it's shore...

- don't get me started on how many refugees get to the US despite the country being largely responsible for the IS mess...

The western countries always claim to have the moral high ground and fought wars based on "that guy is evil, he makes people suffer"... now is the time to live up to the standards and most European countries fail miserably at it.
Iraq and Syria aside, I don't see any counrtries on that list where there is currently a war going on. The West stuck their nose into Afghanistan however the rest have no business going to Germany.

The reason the whole of the former Yugoslavia wants to up sticks and move to Germany is because there is free housing, free education, free healthcare, free pension and free money for life.



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The reason the whole of the former Yugoslavia wants to up sticks and move to Germany is because there is free housing, free education, free healthcare, free pension and free money for life.
And the West had no business in former Yugoslavia, not that long ago. Yeah, right.
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Old 20.08.2015, 13:52
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In the meantime
- did Slovakia decide that they will accept a few hundred refugees... but only if they aren't Muslim. http://www.20min.ch/ausland/news/sto...linge-14541538

- did the UK position a police force in Calais to prevent any refugee from reaching it's shore...

- don't get me started on how many refugees get to the US despite the country being largely responsible for the IS mess...

The western countries always claim to have the moral high ground and fought wars based on "that guy is evil, he makes people suffer"... now is the time to live up to the standards and most European countries fail miserably at it.
Everyone claims to have the moral high ground. Duh.

As I recall, the US and the UK were poised to go into Syria after the chemical attack, and everyone got on their moral high horse and accused them of once again stealing non-existent oil. So there you have Syria, just as everyone wished.

But what does that have to do with Germany? Oh, the Brits and the Americans are white, and the Germans are white, therefore they are just as culpable. Ha, what is that line of thinking called again? Could it be... the R word?

I admire the Germans for putting moral sentiments in front of pragmatic and rational thinking. I imagine a lot of it has to do with contrition and their guilt in the last century. Also, german media is quite effective at controlling the talking points in public dialogs. But at some point, they need to reckon the effect and consequences of all of this, and commit to live with it. Not complain at a later date about being victimized. They need to understand what the impact of this is to their social and economic balance, its effect on their welfare state, and the quality of life of its people. Do that lucidly and with commitment, and then its all copacetic. Just don't think they should pass burdens along to people who are not willing to bear it.
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Re: Pegida marches against Islamisation of Europe

So Germany isn't a member of the EU and NATO any more? When did that happen, Phos? I must have missed it.
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And the West had no business in former Yugoslavia, not that long ago. Yeah, right.
So they should have stood by and watched the mass graves accumulate?
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So they should have stood by and watched the mass graves accumulate?
Mass graves rarely accumulate in a political vacuum.
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Old 20.08.2015, 14:26
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And the West had no business in former Yugoslavia, not that long ago. Yeah, right.


Mr Genscher is parly repsonsible for the violence surrounding the breakdown of the former Yugoslavia, going there and telling Germany's WW2 allies that their old friend was on their side again (and then not backing that up when they stupidly believed him). A little bit more imagination and responsibility on his part and there wouldn't be any mass graves.

Foreign policy was so much easier in the old days when all the German foreign minsiter needed to do was apologise to Israel (and bring the cheque book).
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Old 20.08.2015, 14:32
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Re: Pegida marches against Islamisation of Europe

Revisionist arguments for determining policy. That is blinder than determining policies through wishful thinking. The problem here is that Germany doesn't have much of a plan. Even Merkel has mysteriously disappeared. Perhaps they are counting on some outrageous event or scandal to get people chattering and forget about all this. That is today's politician's idea of statecraft nowadays.
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Revisionist arguments for determining policy. That is blinder than determining policies through wishful thinking. The problem here is that Germany doesn't have much of a plan. Even Merkel has mysteriously disappeared. Perhaps they are counting on some outrageous event or scandal to get people chattering and forget about all this. That is today's politician's idea of statecraft nowadays.
What's the German equivalent of Charlie Hebdo, I wonder...
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I imagine a lot of it has to do with contrition and their guilt in the last century. Also, german media is quite effective at controlling the talking points in public dialogs.
I am "generation Y" and do not feel guilty for the war at all... and neither do most Germans of today. But you know what? Many actually believe in human rights as well as civil liberty. Part of that package is that you agree to help people in need and not only use human rights as arguments to invade other countries...

You obviously don't know German media very well, did you get this insight from Fox News?
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What's the German equivalent of Charlie Hebdo, I wonder...
Titanic magazine...

their current one: "Everyone is talking about refugees! We have enough GERMAN homeless we could agitate against!"

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So DB points to guilt of Germany as an obligation, and Treverus points to an absence of guilt and lofty ideas of human rights that is not coming out of his pocket. Great, imagination on EF is free. But still, Germany is clueless without a plan.
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So DB points to guilt of Germany as an obligation, and Treverus points to an absence of guilt and lofty ideas of human rights that is not coming out of his pocket. Great, imagination on EF is free. But still, Germany is clueless without a plan.
Because anything resembling a rational plan from Germany will immediately be called "Nazism"...
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Re: Pegida marches against Islamisation of Europe

Since there are many on this forum who don't necessarily know the German media landscape and hear repeatedly here how government steered and PC it is do I think I give you a simple example of one of those tax money funded channels...

To show people who blindly mass media follows every youtube video without doing due diligence on the source did one of them manipulate a video of former Greek minister Varoufakis - making him sticking the finger to Germany. It ended up in a prime time talk show where Germany's most prominent host confronted Varoufakis with it. He knew he didn't do it, but nobody believed him... all "experts" were convinced it's real. "Varoufake":



I don't think channels made to brainwash citizens would do this...
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lofty ideas of human rights that is not coming out of his pocket.
The money comes out of the pocket of the electorate, they pay for what they want. It's called democracy... Must be a crazy idea for an American that a government would do what the majority wants... but that's how it actually is supposed to work.
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