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Today visible in a lot of stadiums of the Bundesliga: banners of supporters with the words "refugees welcome". There is a deep and strong movement right now in Germany to show that right extremists are a minority. So far Germany has been the model state in this refugee drama unlike many other countries (Slovakia is a shame for example).
This "model state" with their open door policy has resulted in bodies being found in lorries and washing up on beaches.

Opposing this level of immigration and asking for a solution to the issue does not automatically make you a "right extremist". A fact that seems lost in German media.
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This "model state" with their open door policy has resulted in bodies being found in lorries and washing up on beaches.

Opposing this level of immigration and asking for a solution to the issue does not automatically make you a "right extremist". A fact that seems lost in German media.
The debate is taking place and I don't see it lost in german media.
But people are refusing the "debate" as proposed by right-extremists: arson and violence.
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The debate is taking place and I don't see it lost in german media.
But people are refusing the "debate" as proposed by right-extremists: arson and violence.
Got a source for such a debate ? Where they write about the numbers that can reasonably be integrated ? The job prospects for those people and the resulting discontent for the thousands or 10s of thousands if/when they can't find jobs ? The costs currently being borne by the state where 45-50% taxation is the norm and what that is currently doing to the middle classes in Germany? I just spent the day with a bunch of friends from Munich and they sure don't know where this magical debate of yours is taking place ..
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(...) I just spent the day with a bunch of friends from Munich and they sure don't know where this magical debate of yours is taking place ..
Thank you for confirming that you are not well informed.
I suggest you get new friends and spend more time reading german newspaper or watching german TV (not the Schlagermusik show).

I suggest you should start by reading a well informed man who made great and real contributions to Germany's economy and society: Gerhard Schröder.
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The costs currently being borne by the state where 45-50% taxation is the norm and what that is currently doing to the middle classes in Germany? I just spent the day with a bunch of friends from Munich and they sure don't know where this magical debate of yours is taking place ..
I pay around 30% tax in Germany with a Swiss salary - I spend the whole year in Germany and I have such debates with my friends. There must be two countries with the same name.
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What's this got to do with terrorism?
Well, in a way it has to do because it's basically the same principle: trying to achieve a political goal through violence and intimidation. I don't think we should applaud these actions, whatever our opinions on the refugee issue might be. Beside, it means tarring all of those people with the same brush - imagine, some of them are real refugees. Now I can also understand that Germany doesn't have any obligation to help all of them, or probably not even a fraction of them.
The (far) right-wing can push for changing the asylum laws, for the idea of receiving the refugees for a limited period till the conflicts in their countries are over etc. But not like that, that is moronic....to say the least.
I understand if local people don't want to pay for another people's housing, daily allowances, education, health care, child care etc - for years - till all of them will be able to compete on the German market, but still....that is definitely NOT the way to go.
And Loz, I'm sure many (moderate) Germans don't really see the refugees issue through pink coloured glasses as you might like to believe, but attacking refugees camps is simply repugnant.

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The debate is taking place and I don't see it lost in german media.
But people are refusing the "debate" as proposed by right-extremists: arson and violence.
There may be debate at some level, but the rhetoric coming from Germany's leaders suggests otherwise.

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Well, in a way it has to do because it's basically the same principle: trying to achieve a political goal through violence and intimidation. I don't think we should applaud these actions, whatever our opinions on the refugee issue might be. Beside, it means tarring all of those people with the same brush - imagine, some of them are real refugees. Now I can also understand that Germany doesn't have any obligation to help all of them, or probably not even a fraction of them.
The (far) right-wing can push for changing the asylum laws, for the idea of receiving the refugees for a limited period till the conflicts in their countries are over etc. But not like that, that is moronic....to say the least.
I understand if local people don't want to pay for another people's housing, daily allowances, education, health care, child care etc - for years - till all of them will be able to compete on the German market, but still....that is definitely NOT the way to go.
And Loz, I'm sure many (moderate) Germans don't really see the refugees issue through pink coloured glasses as you might like to believe, but attacking refugees camps is simply repugnant.
Terrorism is normally seen as an act to cause terror. These arson attacks are not attacking individuals (as far as I'm aware no one has been injured as these buildings have been empty) and neither is their aim to cause terror. Rather they're an attack against Germany's stance on the current levels of immigration.

I agree this isn't the way to go and I certainly don't see many people applauding these actions. But I do view this as the result of more extreme people wanting to have their voices heard rather than acts of terrorism.
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Old 31.08.2015, 10:35
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There may be debate at some level, but the rhetoric coming from Germany's leaders suggests otherwise.



Terrorism is normally seen as an act to cause terror. These arson attacks are not attacking individuals (as far as I'm aware no one has been injured as these buildings have been empty) and neither is their aim to cause terror. Rather they're an attack against Germany's stance on the current levels of immigration.

I agree this isn't the way to go and I certainly don't see many people applauding these actions. But I do view this as the result of more extreme people wanting to have their voices heard rather than acts of terrorism.
Are you serious? Have you ever been a victim of arson? There is already a record of arsons that lead to the death of turkish families in Germany....arson by neo-nazis. They don't do it as a game or communication of despair. They know exactly what they do. There are hundreds of ways to express your disagreement in the right manner but murder is not part of it.
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Have you ever been a victim of arson?
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There is already a record of arsons that lead to the death of turkish families in Germany....arson by neo-nazis. They don't do it as a game or communication of despair. They know exactly what they do. There are hundreds of ways to express your disagreement in the right manner but murder is not part of it.
Virtually all these attacks have been on planned homes which are under construction. Setting fire to an empty building is different to setting fire to a building with people in it. As yet, I don't think there's been a single migrant murdered in Germany this year.

As with Pegida membership, I find it hard to believe that all those taking part in these attacks are neo-nazis or right wing extremists.
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Thank you for confirming that you are not well informed.
I suggest you get new friends and spend more time reading german newspaper or watching german TV (not the Schlagermusik show).

I suggest you should start by reading a well informed man who made great and real contributions to Germany's economy and society: Gerhard Schröder.
Uhh Gerhard Schroeder , Putin's best buddy even after the annexation of Crimea and the war in Ukraine is well informed ??? I read the article , not one mention of the costs of integration , any of the issues that terrify Germany's already overburdened middle classes or how to repatriate the masses of people from safe countries. Thank you for confirming that you are hopelessly out of touch.
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And Loz, I'm sure many (moderate) Germans don't really see the refugees issue through pink coloured glasses as you might like to believe, but attacking refugees camps is simply repugnant.
Agreed - but that is - as others have pointed out - the inevitable consequence of not having a reasonable debate in the media about the costs of coping with the current influx.
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you clearly did not read and understand his article. And if you think that someone will come and give you an excel sheet with the costs and benefits then there is no hope anymore for you. Schröder clearly explains in his article why Germany needs the refugee.

So let's make it clear:
- people like Merkel and Schröder (other politicians) think on a 50 year time scale and care about the image and role of Germany in History.
- people that post here think on a 1 year scale at best, are focusing on their own interest and act like nitpickers....and think the world fits into an excel sheet.
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- people like Merkel and Schröder (other politicians) think on a 50 year time scale and care about the image and role of Germany in History.
LMFAO, was he thinking of that when he okeyed that Gas Pipeline and took that seven figure salary with Gazprom? The guy was/is an absolute political whore.
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Virtually all these attacks have been on planned homes which are under construction. Setting fire to an empty building is different to setting fire to a building with people in it. As yet, I don't think there's been a single migrant murdered in Germany this year.
it's still terrorism as its "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes".

Plus it gives out the signal that we will burn your homes and next step we will burn you in your houses

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism
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it's still terrorism as its "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes".

Plus it gives out the signal that we will burn your homes and next step we will burn you in your houses

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism
Many of the buildings being used to house migrants are old buildings that have been empty for years and would sooner or later have bene demolished. Arson is a pretty wicked thing, but arson against a building that has essentially no value and is earmarked for the wrecking ball is the mildest form of arson. The protest value of it is far greater than the destructive value.

Quite often during protests, protestors set fire to trash bins. They normally don't get punished for it.
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you clearly did not read and understand his article. And if you think that someone will come and give you an excel sheet with the costs and benefits then there is no hope anymore for you.
An excel sheet would be nice but an article like this one - detailing not just crime rates but costs of healthcare , housing , immigration and income tax based on past histories of migration would be just great and allow a data based decision making process : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Switzerland
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Schröder clearly explains in his article why Germany needs the refugee.
No he doesn't - he states it. Here again for the hard of reading :

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Für unsere umlagefinanzierte Sozialversicherung sind die Folgen des Alterungsprozesses besonders schwerwiegend. Der Generationenvertrag ist in Gefahr. Das Verhältnis Beitragszahler zu Rentner beträgt heute 2 zu 1, im Jahr 2030 dürfte es bei 1,5 zu 1 liegen. Auch die Rentenbezugsdauer steigt kontinuierlich an. Lag sie 1960 noch bei zehn Jahren, sind es heute 19 Jahre. Und sie wird weiter steigen. Was wir also brauchen, ist eine Einwanderung in unser Sozialsystem. Denn ohne diese können wir Renten in der Zukunft gar nicht mehr finanzieren.

Es ist Zeit für ein modernes Zuwanderungsrecht. Die von meiner Bundesregierung eingesetzte Kommission "Zuwanderung" unter Leitung von Professor Süssmuth hatte bereits im Jahre 2001 einen wegweisenden Vorschlag unterbreitet, dessen gesetzliche Realisierung damals leider am Widerstand der Opposition scheiterte. Obwohl es bereits 14 Jahre her ist, sind diese Vorschläge immer noch aktuell. Denn wenn wir auch in Zukunft ein sozial und wirtschaftlich starkes Land sein wollen, dann brauchen wir Zuwanderung.

Wir dürfen diese Migration in und nach Europa nicht durch neue Eiserne Vorhänge zu verhindern versuchen. Stattdessen müssen wir sie steuern, müssen integrieren und müssen Perspektiven in den Herkunftsländern schaffen. Man kann leider noch nicht erkennen, dass sich Europa dieser Aufgabe stellt.
Nowhere does he address the point that Western Europe is very likely moving to a situation where less people not more will be needed to keep the econmies churning. Jobs such as taxi driving and check out counters - long the go-to for people with poor education and language skills will shortly be replaced by machines. Nowhere does he talk numbers in crime or make any effort to address his own ridiculous "umlagefinanzierte Sozialversicherung"... simply piping in more people into that Ponzi scheme is hardly the right way forward.

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So let's make it clear:
- people like Merkel and Schröder (other politicians) think on a 50 year time scale and care about the image and role of Germany in History.
- people that post here think on a 1 year scale at best, are focusing on their own interest and act like nitpickers....and think the world fits into an excel sheet.
50 year time scale ??? You're talking about a guy who got into bed with Putin and signed an absolutely catastrophic gas agreement that has financed a kleptocracy. In Merkel you have a person who is essentially a populist and after Fukushima reversed the position of the government in deciding to mothball all German atomic plants - despite the fact they provide a huge proportion of the baseload energy for heavy industry - which after all - the German economy is absolutely dependent on - not possible by renewable means! This is your archetype of politicians involving long term thinking ???
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Many of the buildings being used to house migrants are old buildings that have been empty for years and would sooner or later have bene demolished. Arson is a pretty wicked thing, but arson against a building that has essentially no value and is earmarked for the wrecking ball is the mildest form of arson. The protest value of it is far greater than the destructive value.
alas I can't "protest" against your post by setting fire to it
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I was in Germany on Saturday and folowed an invitation to visit an as yet unoccupied refugee camp in Freiburg.

I had an interesting conversation with the guy in charge.

I pointed out to him that in many respects, the building was not up to scratch. For example, there were fuse boxes in the shower rooms. Thermal insulation was not up to scratch (as in, there wasn't any), and the workmen who were still tottering around were not wearing hard hats.

I said, any other person completing a building to such a standard would probably be risking a massive fine, yet here there were policemen looking on, and nada. I asked him how come there was one set of rules for the state and a much stricter set of rules for the taxpayers.

The guy was friendly about it and said, yes, i was right. The standards of work here were pretty lax. He even pointed out some things I hadn't noticed, such as the guy with the pneumatic drill wasn't wearing hearing protection. But he said, this is an emergency situation and in an emergency you need to bend the rules. He said for example that they had been unable to find a contractor willing to do the work and so had sidestepped the normal procurement process of putting anything out to tender and justed asked friendly contractors to do the work. I asked him if this meant they were paying through the nose for sub-standard work and he said yes.

I asked, seeing this contractor was not hired through the normal tendering process and was not being held to account for respecting basic safety measurers, how did they know all the workers were legal and had social insurance etc. He said they didn't know, and because they were so happy to get the work done, they weren't going to ask.

So i asked him how come there wasn't a building inspection and if there was one what they would do, and he said there wouldn't be one. So essentiually a state employee admitted that the state is not playing by its own rules.

I then asked him about the security and why the fence was so high and why there was a private security firm patrolling the site. I asked him if they were afriad that people might plan an attack.

He said, no not at all. The people who live here are absoluetly looking forward to these imigrants and would never do anything. The security is there because people smugglers might try and deliver additional migrants and the site would be unable to cope.

Wonderful story I thought.

I then asked where the people would be coming from. Were they from Syria? he said, no, some might be from Syria but most are from other places, Africa and such places.

So there we have it from the horse's mouth.
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Here's a little reminder of the last time a bunch of hotheads burned down buildings "with the intent of protecting their culture and their country":



Seriously, Phos. You've come out with some real shit over the last few years, but this takes the biscuit for poor taste and ignorance.
In our eagerness to Godwinize this thread, let us not forget that these hotheads had the backing of the state and of the media and didn't need to fear prosecution. Many were even acting on direct orders from above.

There is still a big difference between taking direct action against the state and doing so at the behest of the state.
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German politicians will have to address this realistically soon if they want to avoid tension or disorder. Once the summer has finished I expect to see some sort of backlash, whether it's from Pegida or another reactionary organisation.
I should be a bloody psychic. As if on cue there were Pegida rallies/protests in Munich, Leipzig and Dresden last night. They've not gone away.

http://www.demotix.com/news/8486279/...#media-8486407

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