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Re: Taliban kill over 120 in Pakistan

Fianlly, Hafiz Saeed has predictably started blaming India

This is the guy who was supported in holding a huge rally by the Pakistani establishment a couple of weeks ago.

Hillary Clinton said something about snakes recently....?
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Bastards. Inhuman, unutterable, bestial bastards.
On the surface this seems to be the appropriate conclusion. However lets not forget that these terrorists are all most likely completely indoctrinated. Having said that I went to a military school pretty much my whole school life and I resisted the indoctrination to the last day. Therefore I do believe that if one makes the effort one can change ones beliefs and stay loyal to the human race, i.e. respect to others and their beliefs etc.

I feel very sorry for the families who have lost their kids and reluctantly sorry for the brainwashed terrorists who committed these horrible acts.

It is very saddening to see circles of violence. I just hope that we can work to eliminate the root causes of this behaviour. Because as tempting as revenge is it just gives terrorists more fuel to go on with it.

Revenge killings/murdering hasnt solved the Isreali/Palestine problem and it wont here either.
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Fianlly, Hafiz Saeed has predictably started blaming India

This is the guy who was supported in holding a huge rally by the Pakistani establishment a couple of weeks ago.

Hillary Clinton said something about snakes recently....?
As for Hillary talking about snakes? Well it takes one to know one. Arnt they a bunch of screwballs in the White House...
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Why children? Why, why? It's even more shocking, more heart breaking.
Cowards. Bastards. There's no such a punishment that could be appropriate for them.
Thats the whole point. The creator of the universe could lay down the facts and truths of life infront of these terrorists and they still probably to the last would not accept that they are moraly bankrupt.

Thats what indoctrination does to people. Very few of the fully indoctrinated ones see the light. And punishing them physicaly/emotionaly will just serve the revenge types of this world.

If caught terrorists should be locked up for life and treated with respect. Part of me wants to reject this and sink in the hatchet etc but I refuse to accept that revenge is the answer. In the long term it just creates a circle of violence. And not only that it also creates monsters of the people who committ the revenge.

Get them off the streets for life and bear in mind that they have been brainwashed.

Its a sad business.
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...Get them off the streets for life and bear in mind that they have been brainwashed. Its a sad business.
Totally second that.
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I live in the same "screwed up" world as you where violence and killing and inhumanity breeds violence and killing and inhumanity and no sanitising term like "collateral damage" can disguise the horror of it.
Straw man argument. A strike aimed at killing a known terrorist(s) which accidentally kills bystanders is worlds away from a targetted strike at those very bystanders. Yes, the deaths are equally regretable - but that was not the point being made by Phos - you cannot compare the objectives of the two as being the same thing which is what you are basically saying.
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Old 17.12.2014, 16:19
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Re: Taliban kill over 120 in Pakistan

The intent of this attack on harmless school children was simply to terrorize. It won't work, as it will just harden Pakistani resolve. The Army will likely clean house of possible Taliban sympathizers. If there is an opportunity for the Army to strike at these terrorists, they certainly will. That is national defense and security, not terrorism.

Anyone who can't differentiate between these two has no sense of right and wrong, nor good and evil.
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I am pretty sure that was actually Karl Marx, not Churchill.
My bad. Too engrossed watching the test match while posting. Thank you for correcting.
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They are terrorists. By definition do they want to inflict terror and well - they did.

Raiding a school like this is not the work of some single crazy gunman like the one in Sydney - it is a well planned operation involving dozens of people. Showing that you have the capability to carry this out and kill the kids of the military personnel which is supposed to protect the public from the terrorists gives a simple message the Taliban want to promote: The Pakistani government does not have control in this region of their country.



I am pretty sure that was actually Karl Marx, not Churchill.

Maybe. The Point is that they attacked a School under guidance of the Armed Forces. The children certainly were not offsprings of soldiers and corporals but of the Military leadership. And those officers will not say oh, they just wanted to make it clear to us how it is but they will revenge in due course. To attack the children of the Military top league of Pakistan is clearly SUICIDAL


The victims most likely include Kids of officers of the Pakistani Military intelligence Service. A Service that was rumoured to have had sympathies for the Taliban. Now, this is subject to change
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Old 17.12.2014, 23:41
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Re: Taliban kill over 120 in Pakistan

Until the world grows a set of balls, sticks two fingers up to the human rights and pc brigades who these bastards hide behind and let the military's of the world go in kill these terrorists this will continue.
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Old 17.12.2014, 23:48
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Indeed. But, a question: would it have been any more humane if the Taliban had committed this act using a drone strike instead of simple weapons ? If we have not spoken out, we are complicit in this crime.
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It plays no role if it is wanton killing or 'collateral' damage. The result is the same. Grieving families and a sense of injustice which perpetuates a cycle of killings.
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Your 'logic' appears to be that some forms of arbitrary killing are better than others, and those perpetrated by a 'civilised' society are better that those perpetrated by extremists. I can imagine a lot people disagreeing with you on that.
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I live in the same "screwed up" world as you where violence and killing and inhumanity breeds violence and killing and inhumanity and no sanitising term like "collateral damage" can disguise the horror of it.
It's attitudes like yours that allow this to continue. The military, the intelligence service all have their hands tied behind their backs because sadly there are too many people with attitudes like yours. People who sit at home from the comfort of their own sofa and pass judgment on how the military and intelligence services are doing their jobs badly.
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Until the world grows a set of balls, sticks two fingers up to the human rights and pc brigades who these bastards hide behind and let the military's of the world go in kill these terrorists this will continue.
This is what we've been doing for over 15 years and if anything it's made the region even more dangerous and unstable. Almost the entire top tier leadership of the Taliban has been wiped out and replaced several times, and yet they continue to come at us, proving you cannot defeat an ideology with bombs.
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This is what we've been doing for over 15 years and if anything it's made the region even more dangerous and unstable. Almost the entire top tier leadership of the Taliban has been wiped out and replaced several times, and yet they continue to come at us, proving you cannot defeat an ideology with bombs.
Agreed. Weapons are for fighting the weaponized. But where are the ideas to fight the ideology? The ideas seem to have been the first casualties of the terror. They are held back by fear. Is the terrorism really that much more powerful than the ideas? Are the ideas any good?
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This is what we've been doing for over 15 years and if anything it's made the region even more dangerous and unstable. Almost the entire top tier leadership of the Taliban has been wiped out and replaced several times, and yet they continue to come at us, proving you cannot defeat an ideology with bombs.
The military have had their hands tied which makes them ineffective.
A very small example, they know who the terrorists on the ground are but can do nothing about it until the terrorists show a significant threat to them or civilian life.

The reason they continue to come at us and grow is because they have freedom of speech and the preachers preaching their extremists views are allowed to do so on the streets of every nation. Why? Because human rights say so.
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Re: Taliban kill over 120 in Pakistan

Didn't the west see something like this was due to happen at anytime?

For years the Taliban has been smuggling heroin through Pakistan & out of Afgahnistan. People at the top in Pakistan must have been taking a cut of the profits,
as nothing was done to get rid of the Taliban in Pakistan. Recently there was a crack down, but it was too late and obviously too little.
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Re: Taliban kill over 120 in Pakistan

The West? It gets its information from the Pakistanis.

This attack may be the beginning of its last throes. It sure was desperate. They ought to know it defeated their own cause. Organizations like these need to implode from the inside. I do watch Homeland.
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The reason they continue to come at us and grow is because they have freedom of speech and the preachers preaching their extremists views are allowed to do so on the streets of every nation. Why? Because human rights say so.
What you are talking about, certainly in Britain is long gone. The Terrorism Act 2006 significantly strengthened existing laws to the extent that even expressing pleasure at a terrorist atrocity is likely to land you in jail, much less preaching hate. Most of the well known hate preachers have now either been deported e.g. Omar Bakri, Abu Qatada, Abu Hamza or put in jail. Britain is zero tolerance on the issue.
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It's attitudes like yours that allow this to continue. The military, the intelligence service all have their hands tied behind their backs because sadly there are too many people with attitudes like yours. People who sit at home from the comfort of their own sofa and pass judgment on how the military and intelligence services are doing their jobs badly.

What matters is NOT how some foreigners see those military chiefs conducting business but how they and their wifes see it


Again, to attack the Kids of the Paki Officers caste is suicidal
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This is what we've been doing for over 15 years and if anything it's made the region even more dangerous and unstable. Almost the entire top tier leadership of the Taliban has been wiped out and replaced several times, and yet they continue to come at us, proving you cannot defeat an ideology with bombs.


So sorry, but what is wrong with your ideology = >? Wrong are
- to regard the Taliban as an Organisation what they no longer are
- to think that they are under just one leadership
- to think that they have an ideology
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who created Taliban ?

The outrage against Taliban is justified. But why the deafening silence about who brainwashed, trained, armed and turned these uneducated , tough and poor tribals and pathans into the Jehadi monsters that they are today ?

People seem to have forgotten that the Taliban has been a creation and apparatus of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and US untill recently. Saudi Arabia operated thousands of madarasas to indictrinate Jehad, US provided money and arms, pakistan provided all logistics.

Even now, there is a good taliban and a bad taliban for US. One kills for them and the later fights against them.
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