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It's many hours old news now.. Confirmed news by the police / interior ministry no longer live speculation...
Thanks for that! I've been flipping between CNN, BBC and Al Jazeera for the past 3 hours and had not yet managed to get such a concise summary.
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If people are acting as "roving reporters" on this thread quoting live news, then unless they are actually at the scene, isn't it correct form to also quote a news source with a link irrespective of whether it is Reuters or the Daily Mail's own?
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Its a little bit shocking that people are able upload pics to twitter on there mobiles of the scenes, this would suggest that the french haven't blocked mobile access.
Do you have a twitter hashtag for this, please?
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Print shop and warehouse must be the same place. Although that industrial looking building is huge based on CNN live feed, maybe there are separate units inside?
The print shop is a very small building in a part of the industrial zone.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30740115
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What is the rule here? Do I have to make multiple useless posts before I can take part in any debate?
Relax, Charlie. When a new member joins and starts posting videos and jumping into a heated discussion (without so much as a proper introduction) it is going to draw attention.
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Relax, Charlie. When a new member joins and starts posting videos and jumping into a heated discussion (without so much as a proper introduction) it is going to draw attention.
Especially with a user name like CharlieH.
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Someone help me keep up at the back...

Two gunmen from the Charlie Hebdo attack are now holed up in a warehouse with at least one hostage.

There's at least one other person holding hostages at a Kosher shop, seems likely he knows the other two.

Somewhere a cop was shot? By one of the bad guys mentioned above?

Someone is holding a hostage in a print shop?

I'm with Tom1234, please include links when you're talking about a development because it gets confusing quite quickly.
I've found the best source to be the BBC..
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-30722098
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Especially with a user name like CharlieH.
Apparently, a new member dedicated to this thread
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Thanks for that! I've been flipping between CNN, BBC and Al Jazeera for the past 3 hours and had not yet managed to get such a concise summary.
France 24 has been quite good.. I'm just listening on and off

They just had an ex SAS guy on - I think they were hoping for something juicy..Asking about tactics for storming the buildings.. And he basically said 'I'm telling you nothing in case the bad guys are listening'
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'glad' you find it entertaining- really

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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

In September 1985 the islamic fanatic maniacs of Islamic Liberation Organization kidnapped 4 Soviet diplomats, (the USSR embassy remained open during the unrest, one of the rare ones) demanding that the USSR stops immediately the support of Asad (not the current one, his daddy) and they killed 1 diplomat and hung him on a tree (or a light, can't remember) with threats that they will kill all of them unless Moscow cooperates.

The answer from Moscow came in rather quickly. They sent in their special "Thunder" squad and within 24 hours russian inteligence found out the names of all the kidnappers. Next day kidnappers received an answer from Moscow, a box full of photos taken hostage of each and every family member of the kidnappers, wifes, kids everybody and for the leader of the kidnappers there was a special bag which containedhis father's genitals and throat cut with a knife.

The message attached in perfect Arabic, said unless they give up immediately and release the diplomats, the russians will kill every each and one family member of the terrorist the same way the did the father of the leader of the group. If they release the diplomats the lifes of their family members will be spared, but not their own, for Moscow the kidnappers were already dead men.

The same afternoon, the remaining 3 diplomats were released. The terrorist group gave up and surrendered. To this day their fate is unknown, all we know is that they haven't been since ever since.

This was the FIRST AND LAST attempt of a islamist gang to even try to terrorize Moscow. And this is how you deal with terrorist.

The west invested heavily in these same terrorist to overturn legitimate (well, here and there, way more legitimate than today's one) government in the middle east and now the same wits they sponsored, gave weapons trained etc are appearing in center Paris during daylight play GTA, what is worrying for me is this won't be the last and certainly this is just the beginning.
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you're really fixating on this aren't you!!

you stick a machine gun in my face I'll tell you I'm mother teresa

He was a policeman, with a gun, even though he was shot (before they talked to him) he could have shot them and or given his colleagues useful information, if you think about it it makes sense for them to kill him.

And of course you've totally ignored the many replies stating his was the 'enemy' in there eyes.
I was pointing out the logical inconsistency of saying they were driven to be fanatics by bombing of Muslims when they themselves killed Muslims.

Of course there is the argument "he was the 'enemy' in their eyes"; I assume the West use the same argument for bombing 3rd World countries?

He was shot before they talked to him but after they talked to him they finished him off with a head shot while he was laying helpless on the ground. In a war that would be classed as a war crime, here it was simply another sadistic and unnecessary murder.


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Simple

1) No non Muslim may kill a Muslim, whether or not the Muslim is true. The reverse, however, is allowed.
2) No "non-true" Muslim may kill a true Muslim. Likewise, the reverse is allowed.
If I understood the reply correctly so long as the cunning West use "true" Muslims to perform the bombing and claim the victims were non-true Muslims then everything is OK?

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Define "true" Muslims. As far as these people are concerned they're the only true ones in this situation. Everyone else isn't, even if they profess to be Muslim.
So far as I understood this thread everybody has the right to define a true Muslim and everybody else can disagree?
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Relax, Charlie. When a new member joins and starts posting videos and jumping into a heated discussion (without so much as a proper introduction) it is going to draw attention.
I understand but you really think with the current atmosphere in Europe I would make a genuine introduction and at the same time attack religion? Hello?

My ID I picked because I feel very strongly about freedom of expression and needed to vent. Death of innocent cartoonist is as low as it gets from my POV.
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

The French media are calling the Kosker shop a Kosher grocery.

It also appears that the police have cleared and cordoned off Trocadero (that's the big square opposite the Eiffel Tower) for resons as yet unclear. Maybe there is a further operative trying to do something in this area? Bits of the metro are also shut down. Again, it's not at present clear whether there is any connection.
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In September 1985 the islamic fanatic maniacs of Islamic Liberation Organization kidnapped 4 Soviet diplomats, (the USSR embassy remained open during the unrest, one of the rare ones) demanding that the USSR stops immediately the support of Asad (not the current one, his daddy) and they killed 1 diplomat and hung him on a tree (or a light, can't remember) with threats that they will kill all of them unless Moscow cooperates.

The answer from Moscow came in rather quickly. They sent in their special "Thunder" squad and within 24 hours russian inteligence found out the names of all the kidnappers. Next day kidnappers received an answer from Moscow, a box full of photos taken hostage of each and every family member of the kidnappers, wifes, kids everybody and for the leader of the kidnappers there was a special bag which containedhis father's genitals and throat cut with a knife.

The message attached in perfect Arabic, said unless they give up immediately and release the diplomats, the russians will kill every each and one family member of the terrorist the same way the did the father of the leader of the group. If they release the diplomats the lifes of their family members will be spared, but not their own, for Moscow the kidnappers were already dead men.

The same afternoon, the remaining 3 diplomats were released. The terrorist group gave up and surrendered. To this day their fate is unknown, all we know is that they haven't been since ever since.

This was the FIRST AND LAST attempt of a islamist gang to even try to terrorize Moscow. And this is how you deal with terrorist.

The west invested heavily in these same terrorist to overturn legitimate (well, here and there, way more legitimate than today's one) government in the middle east and now the same wits they sponsored, gave weapons trained etc are appearing in center Paris during daylight play GTA, what is worrying for me is this won't be the last and certainly this is just the beginning.
Jesus Christ, you're a huge fan of collective punishment* aren't you???

Just FYI - the two brothers are orphans, ergo they were raised by the French State... so who's genitals are you going to cut off to teach them a lesson?

* Which violate all known Laws of War as well as the Geneva Conventions
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And this is how you deal with terrorist.


By murdering innocent people and mutilating their corpses?


That'll work, for sure!
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Jesus Christ, you're a huge fan of collective punishment aren't you???

Just FYI - the two brothers are orphans, ergo they were raised by the French State... so who's genitals are you going to cut off to teach them a lesson?
Hollande's?

No wait; he doesn't have any.
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glad you find it entertaining- really
Not sure if you're referring to me or to JohnH. In any case, I don't consider it entertainment. It's news and I like to be informed. I try to understand why people do what they do.

For me, it's mind-boggling the amount of resources and coordination that need to go into hunting down just 2 individuals. Earlier before the Kosher shop situation started, the news reported that 88,000 personnel were searching for the brothers. That's like saying half of the entire population of Basel is looking for 2 men.
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In September 1985 the islamic fanatic maniacs of Islamic Liberation Organization kidnapped 4 Soviet diplomats, (the USSR embassy remained open during the unrest, one of the rare ones) demanding that the USSR stops immediately the support of Asad (not the current one, his daddy) and they killed 1 diplomat and hung him on a tree (or a light, can't remember) with threats that they will kill all of them unless Moscow cooperates.

The answer from Moscow came in rather quickly. They sent in their special "Thunder" squad and within 24 hours russian inteligence found out the names of all the kidnappers. Next day kidnappers received an answer from Moscow, a box full of photos taken hostage of each and every family member of the kidnappers, wifes, kids everybody and for the leader of the kidnappers there was a special bag which containedhis father's genitals and throat cut with a knife.

The message attached in perfect Arabic, said unless they give up immediately and release the diplomats, the russians will kill every each and one family member of the terrorist the same way the did the father of the leader of the group. If they release the diplomats the lifes of their family members will be spared, but not their own, for Moscow the kidnappers were already dead men.

The same afternoon, the remaining 3 diplomats were released. The terrorist group gave up and surrendered. To this day their fate is unknown, all we know is that they haven't been since ever since.

This was the FIRST AND LAST attempt of a islamist gang to even try to terrorize Moscow. And this is how you deal with terrorist.

The west invested heavily in these same terrorist to overturn legitimate (well, here and there, way more legitimate than today's one) government in the middle east and now the same wits they sponsored, gave weapons trained etc are appearing in center Paris during daylight play GTA, what is worrying for me is this won't be the last and certainly this is just the beginning.
Until 2006 .. In Iraq i think ..

But the whole original story is disputed and unconfirmed? No?
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By murdering innocent people and mutilating their corpses?


That'll work, for sure!
They only threatened to kill them and mutilate their corpses.

So that's freedom of speech, is it not?



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Hollande's?

No wait; he doesn't have any.
I was going to add a jibe about white flags but won't as it might come across as insensitive.

The guy in the Kosher grocery at Vincennes is indeed threatening to kill all his hostages if the police go in and attack the guys in the printing warehouse.

I don't think this actually proves they are actually in contact but it could be.

It's going to take some tactical thinking by the police.

The Trocaedro has since been reopened, so maybe that was a false alert, or a totally unconnected incident.

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Not sure if you're referring to me or to JohnH. In any case, I don't consider it entertainment. It's news and I like to be informed. I try to understand why people do what they do.

For me, it's mind-boggling the amount of resources and coordination that need to go into hunting down just 2 individuals. Earlier before the Kosher shop situation started, the news reported that 88,000 personnel were searching for the brothers. That's like saying half of the entire population of Basel is looking for 2 men.
I collected a lot of groans in the thread about the British people murdered in France when I wrote the French police were like Inspector Clouseau and would never find the murderer(s); so I won't write that again
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