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Yeah, I see you have as much trouble with diversity and free speech.

Unlike humorist satire, FoxNews is more like action-adventure satire in the tone of Jack Bauer 24. I wouldn't call it news. It is editorial and infotainment. But as such, it does bring up valid points and questions that are not addressed by the Government's talking point. It is just as essential we also have these in a democracy. Would you like gunmen to attack there too?
Well I get your point about free speech. But for me, advocating hatred and requesting the indiscriminate killing of whomever may be considered, for whatever reason, by whomever- should not really be part of so called free speech. Judge Janine, in her violent tirade, was advocating just that. She did remind me of the histerical hate speeches made by Hitler and others. Did you see it? Perhaps someone could re-post it here.

It is tempting in her case, but no, I would not like gunmen to attack her or Fox News. But forgive me for strongly believing that talking to people who truly believe Fox News is the only source of truth, is seriously worrying, to say the least. And 100 of 1000s believe that, Tea Party and more.

I rarely agree with David Cameron, but I was glad to hear that even him 'choked on his porridge' when hearing the rubbish and lies vomitted out by Fox news.

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Old 13.01.2015, 14:26
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Well I get your point about free speech. But for me, advocating hatred and requesting the indiscriminate killing of whomever may be considered, for whatever reason, by whomever- should not really be part of so called free speech. Judge Janine, in her violent tirade, was advocating just that. She did remind me of the histerical hate speeches made by Hitler and others. Did you see it? Perhaps someone could re-post it here.

It is tempting in her case, but no, I would not like gunmen to attack her or Fox News. But forgive me for strongly believing that talking to people who truly believe Fox News is the only source of truth, is seriously worrying, to say the least. And 100 of 1000s believe that, Tea Party and more.
No, I haven't seen it. It is illegal to advocate indiscriminate killings, and we do have strict hate speech laws. So I wonder if that is in fact what she did, or is it what you construed she did. Otherwise, there would be lawyers crawling over them, and this is a for profit enterprise. They couldn't afford such a thing. Do you have a link?

By the way, I don't know of anyone believing FoxNews is the only source of truth. FoxNews is not a totalitarian religion.
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Old 13.01.2015, 14:39
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

this story was so last week
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Old 13.01.2015, 14:48
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http://youtu.be/0w2ZS231BAQ

Wow, that was totally unhinged. Advocating the indiscriminate killing of people is illegal, and should definitely be prosecuted. Is that happening? If not, why not?

Your link does not include the beginning, so I can't tell the context of her speech. She let out some pent-up frustrations about the situation. Its what happens when you suppress voices. In the midst of all the garbage, there were a couple of points she did make.

The beauty of free speech is it allows you to know where someone stands. It also allows you to track what your adversaries are thinking. In her case, she's a cartoon character muppet.

We have due processes. If she let out hate speech that is illegal, she should definitely be held accountable and prosecuted.
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Old 13.01.2015, 14:48
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America didn't show up at the march with any high profile leaders. Americans are now shocked at the glaring absence.

Personally, I found it rather refreshing. For once, it was about the rest of the world. America seems to crowd the limelight when they appear.

America: this is not about you, it's about us. I'm not sure if Americans understand that concept yet.
Who is "us" exactly? I thought the unity march was for everyone opposed to extremist violence?
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No, I haven't seen it. It is illegal to advocate indiscriminate killings, and we do have strict hate speech laws. So I wonder if that is in fact what she did, or is it what you construed she did. Otherwise, there would be lawyers crawling over them, and this is a for profit enterprise. They couldn't afford such a thing. Do you have a link?

By the way, I don't know of anyone believing FoxNews is the only source of truth. FoxNews is not a totalitarian religion.
if by "we" you mean the US, we actually have no concept of "hate speech", and nor should we. in terms of the link, of course the speaker is a complete nutjob but what she was actually advocating (in between spouts of drooling and shouting) was a US refusal to do business with countries that harbor terrorists, and more funding by the US of Muslim entities who fight against terrorism - neither of which are terribly earth-shattering or unpopular notions. she intends to kill radical Muslims, although of course she probably has very little idea as to how to distinguish a radical Muslim from any other Muslim.
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Who is "us" exactly? I thought the unity march was for everyone opposed to extremist violence?
A branch of hobbits called "Europeans", apparently..

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Here is the lovely creature, now you tell me :

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she's not a "nutjob", its entirely deliberate.
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Old 13.01.2015, 15:06
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if by "we" you mean the US, we actually have no concept of "hate speech", and nor should we. in terms of the link, of course the speaker is a complete nutjob but what she was actually advocating (in between spouts of drooling and shouting) was a US refusal to do business with countries that harbor terrorists, and more funding by the US of Muslim entities who fight against terrorism - neither of which are terribly earth-shattering or unpopular notions. she intends to kill radical Muslims, although of course she probably has very little idea as to how to distinguish a radical Muslim from any other Muslim.
If it could be proved that someone killed some other because of her speech, couldn't FoxNews be sued in a class-action for damages? I can't imagine FoxNews recklessly skirting the law at the risk of such massive financial loss.

I wouldn't mind seeing Murdoch go broke. I like seeing the arrogant humbled.
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Old 13.01.2015, 15:08
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Re: France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

Speaking of Fox News, here are some hilarious tweets in response to Fox's report on Birmingham.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...newsfacts.html
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Well I get your point about free speech. But for me, advocating hatred and requesting the indiscriminate killing of whomever may be considered, for whatever reason, by whomever- should not really be part of so called free speech. Judge Janine, in her violent tirade, was advocating just that.
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http://youtu.be/0w2ZS231BAQ
I listened to this annoying person for 7 minutes , but she didn't call for "indiscriminate killing", she called for killing of Terrorists (which is legal).
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I listened to this annoying person for 7 minutes ,
I stopped listening when she called Pakistan an Arab country
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Yeah, I see you have as much trouble with diversity and free speech.

Unlike humorist satire, FoxNews is more like action-adventure satire in the tone of Jack Bauer 24. I wouldn't call it news. It is editorial and infotainment. But as such, it does bring up valid points and questions that are not addressed by the Government's talking point. It is just as essential we also have these in a democracy. Would you like gunmen to attack there too?
Phos, there is a difference between stating that you do not like something because you don't agree with it and saying that you think it doesn't have a right to exist or to express itself.

The world would be a rather creepy place if we all believed in the same thing and acted in the exact same ways, wouldn't it? In fact, I think that's what religion itself has tried to achieve.

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If it could be proved that someone killed some other because of her speech, couldn't FoxNews be sued in a class-action for damages?
So we agree that the media has the ability to incite violence?

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If it could be proved that someone killed some other because of her speech, couldn't FoxNews be sued in a class-action for damages?
well, people can always sue, but Fox is really only exposed if her speech was intended to incite imminent violence, which is impossible over the TV (I hope). still, FoxNews is an abomination, just like CNN, and I am always amazed that people actually watch it. I have to hand it to them, however, finding a Lebanese christian to be their Islamocritic of the week is a stroke of genius.
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I stopped listening when she called Pakistan an Arab country
Pakistan is a wannabe Arab country - blasphemy laws, corruption, arbitrary borders, lack of democracy...
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Pakistan is a wannabe Arab country - blasphemy laws, corruption, arbitrary borders, lack of democracy...
this is awful drivel even by your low standards
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this is awful drivel even by your low standards
Pakistan is far far removed from being an Arab country, but the points he makes about its current state are fair ones. Made me chuckle anyhow.
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Pakistan is a wannabe Arab country - blasphemy laws, corruption, arbitrary borders, lack of democracy...
Israel bomb schools so are they wannabe Muslim extremists?

Israel even have the arbitrary (read that as made up) borders!
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please can you explain how Pakistan is a "wannabe" Arab country?
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this is awful drivel even by your low standards
I'm sorry - Pakistan is a flourishing democracy, where minorities prosper and would never, ever dream of supporting Islamist terrorism.

Pakistan behaves like one of the worst Arab countries - blasphemy laws, corruption, arbitrary borders, lack of democracy..
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