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View Poll Results: Had you read Charlie Hebdo before the massacre last week?
Yes, and I thought it was interesting and thought provoking 13 9.70%
Yes, and I thought it was dreadful and offensive 7 5.22%
Yes, but I have opinion either way 6 4.48%
I'd heard of it, but never read it 30 22.39%
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

Anyone interested in satire has heard of them before even if you speak as little French as I do... but it's definitely too little to read more than cartoons unfortunately. The little I have seen and read (that was after the fire bombing of their offices a couple of years back) was in my eyes rather poor taste.

I have absolutely no problem with jokes on religion and if it is done with quality, like the infamous Danish cartoons, do I think it satire is not just entertaining but an important thought provoker in a society.

The Charlie Hebdo cartoons I have seen were not really thought provoking but pretty much plain insults. Not my style, but I kind of expected it to be the Parisian taste of humour.
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

Never read it, but seen it on news-shop shelves. When reading a French paper it usually is Liberation or LeMonde two really excellent newspapers
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I've read it a couple of times.That's what I thought. Pretty puerile really. But then, French humour is rather different from English humour.


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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

Internet generated empathy syndrome has obvious commercial benefits to those that remain in the western world.

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It's a bit of a shame that there are no satirical comics in Nigeria that could bring some caring to the poor people suffering barbaric Boko Haram attacks.

Our kids should be playing and learning at 10, not becoming vehicles of carnage.
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I read Viz. Does that count?
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I read lots of porn!

Does that count, too?
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It's a bit of a shame that there are no satirical comics in Nigeria that could bring some caring to the poor people suffering barbaric Boko Haram attacks.
Well, Charlie has your answer - perfect example of their humour which i can't find funny in any way...

("The sex slaves of Boko Haram - Don't touch our benefits")



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Well, Charlie has your answer - perfect example of their humour which i can't find funny in any way...

("The sex slaves of Boko Haram - Don't touch our benefits")





That's typical of their humor/satire, it always has a double meaning. The cartoon is not meant to say that the girls are happy to be kidnapped and pregnant but it recalls the French belief that many muslims in France have many children to get social benefits. You can't really get the meanings unless you're very aware of what's going on in France.
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I read lots of porn!

Does that count, too?
I prefer to watch it, it's quite difficult to hold a book and turn the pages with one hand...
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Old 12.01.2015, 11:16
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That's typical of their humor/satire, it always has a double meaning. The cartoon is not meant to say that the girls are happy to be kidnapped and pregnant but it recalls the French belief that many muslims in France have many children to get social benefits. You can't really get the meanings unless you're very aware of what's going on in France.
You wouldn't believe it but I actually understood the joke. Mainly because this is not some French speciality, but the same crap you hear all over Europe.

The point is:

1) It's just not funny to make jokes on rape victims... there is a ton of viable material to crack jokes about Boko Haram, their leader looks like some natural caricature anyway, but the abducted girls is probably the worst choice.

2) Good satire usually criticises politicians or society norms. Bashing minorities with banal stereotypes hardly makes really good jokes. Only good ethnical comedy I can think of is usually a self-critical member of a minority which manages to build bridges by explaining a mindset in a satirical way instead of lashing out and fortifying resentments.
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You wouldn't believe it but I actually understood the joke. Mainly because this is not some French speciality, but the same crap you hear all over Europe.

The point is:

1) It's just not funny to make jokes on rape victims... there is a ton of viable material to crack jokes about Boko Haram, their leader looks like some natural caricature anyway, but the abducted girls is probably the worst choice.

2) Good satire usually criticises politicians or society norms. Bashing minorities with banal stereotypes hardly makes really good jokes. Only good ethnical comedy I can think of is usually a self-critical member of a minority which manages to build bridges by explaining a mindset in a satirical way instead of lashing out and fortifying resentments.
It's comforting to know that there's always a dedicated German out there who is willing to define humor and determine what I may or may not be allowed to find amusing.
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It's comforting to know that there's always a dedicated German out there who is willing to define humor and determine what I may or may not be allowed to find amusing.
I have not done so in any way, I only posted my personal opinion. The topic of this thread is if anyone actually ever read Charlie. And my contribution is that I did a little and did not find it funny as it is full of banal racial stereotypes... a bit like your comment.
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

I never read it but I've leafed through it at the newsagents a couple of times. It never appealed to me especially. But then I'm not much into other satire magazines either. I don't find Titanic funny for example, although I like Martin Sonneborn.
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Not many, I would surmise.

But the "glorious stand" taken by the butchers in Paris will ensure a spike in circulation.
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It's comforting to know that there's always a dedicated German out there who is willing to define humor and determine what I may or may not be allowed to find amusing.
Yet you have the right to determine what a German is allowed to find (or not to find) humorous?
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2) Good satire usually criticises politicians or society norms. Bashing minorities with banal stereotypes hardly makes really good jokes. Only good ethnical comedy I can think of is usually a self-critical member of a minority which manages to build bridges by explaining a mindset in a satirical way instead of lashing out and fortifying resentments.
I disagree. Good satire attacks double standards and systemic myopia in all its forms. Beeing weak and poor or a minority does not confer immunity.

By your statement above, would you also consider it wrong to satirize Pegida, seeing they are a bunch of Harz 4 scrounging Ossis who marry their sisters and drink cheap beer from Lidl and not a mighty political party getting the red carpet treatment?
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

Without those "Je Suis Charlie" symbols, I would hate to have seen how people would have chosen to express their sentiments otherwise. Very cleverly placed release valve there. Let them have it.

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By your statement above, would you also consider it wrong to satirize Pegida, seeing they are a bunch of Harz 4 scrounging Ossis who marry their sisters and drink cheap beer from Lidl and not a mighty political party getting the red carpet treatment?
I did not mean it in the way of "you have to be a Boko Haram member in order to be allowed to poke fun at them"... but jokes on for example black people in the US simply work better if they come from say Dave Chapelle instead of Mel Gibson...
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I did not mean it in the way of "you have to be a Boko Haram member in order to be allowed to poke fun at them"... but jokes on for example black people in the US simply work better if they come from say Dave Chapelle instead of Mel Gibson...
But the Brits do the best Nazi jokes, don't you agree?
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I did not mean it in the way of "you have to be a Boko Haram member in order to be allowed to poke fun at them"... but jokes on for example black people in the US simply work better if they come from say Dave Chapelle instead of Mel Gibson...
I cannot think of any white comedian who pokes fun at blacks in the USA but I can imagine that its not totally impossible. The humour would have to be subtle and clever rather than plugging into stupid mainstream prejudice and discrimination. South Park, for example, has done episodes that poked fun at blacks - often at the same time poking fun at the way whites think about blacks.
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