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View Poll Results: Had you read Charlie Hebdo before the massacre last week?
Yes, and I thought it was interesting and thought provoking 13 9.70%
Yes, and I thought it was dreadful and offensive 7 5.22%
Yes, but I have opinion either way 6 4.48%
I'd heard of it, but never read it 30 22.39%
Never read it 78 58.21%
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Old 14.01.2015, 10:27
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Therein lies the irony. Everyone is jumping to the magazine's defense to allow them to continue their satirical outlook, but in reality no one would suffer one iota if it disappeared without a trace.

You could conclude that what a lot of people actually meant with their public grieving was, "we are really scared by radical IS terrorists running around Europe and maybe our neighbor with a headscarf, but we don't have anyway of dealing with it, so we'll all be Charlie and feel that we're protecting freedom of speech liberties we think we should have as a right".
I don't think the point is that Charlie Hebdo is some earth moving publication, of course no one would notice if it was gone. It's rather the utter disbelief that in a civilised Western society people could be executed over drawing some pictures.
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Therein lies the irony. Everyone is jumping to the magazine's defense to allow them to continue their satirical outlook, but in reality no one would suffer one iota if it disappeared without a trace.

You could conclude that what a lot of people actually meant with their public grieving was, "we are really scared by radical IS terrorists running around Europe and maybe our neighbor with a headscarf, but we don't have anyway of dealing with it, so we'll all be Charlie and feel that we're protecting freedom of speech liberties we think we should have as a right".
I'm amazed if that's what you actually think.

It's not about if people read the magazine, had heard of it previously, or even ever intended to read it. It is the fact that the magazine has every right to exist and that 12 people were murdered in cold blood for expressing their critical opinions with all validity under our laws. You would have to be dead inside, or an emotional and moral cripple, for it to not resonate with you at all. It WAS an attack on Western society and values, there is no doubt about it.
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Old 14.01.2015, 10:38
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I'm amazed if that's what you actually think.

It's not about if people read the magazine, had heard of it previously, or even ever intended to read it. It is the fact that the magazine has every right to exist and that 12 people were murdered in cold blood for expressing their critical opinions with all validity under our laws. You would have to be dead inside, or an emotional and moral cripple, for it to not resonate with you at all. It WAS an attack on Western society and values, there is no doubt about it.
You do so love to make all your comments so personal don't you?

I'm not quite getting the bit where you are being tolerant in allowing others to post their opinions with out you jumping down their throats and questioning their values because they might not be a 100% template of your own.
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You do so love to make all your comments so personal don't you?

I'm not quite getting the bit where you are being tolerant in allowing others to post their opinions with out you jumping down their throats and questioning their values because they might not be a 100% template of your own.
Who said I was tolerant of everyone elses opinions? I'm not, especially when I really, really don't agree with them. Great, this freedom of speech thing, ain't it?
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Old 14.01.2015, 11:43
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

Just noticed that printed in bold type underneath the name of "Intermarché" on the top of the receipt from my supermarket shop on Monday is
"nous sommes Charlie"

I was very touched by the photo of the Agence France Presse journalists holding up signs "je suis Charlie" at the window of their offices the day after the shootings, but am now wondering if it is possible to devalue the message by overuse? Surely not with something so fundamental ..but my supermarket receipt???
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Old 14.01.2015, 11:45
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

I think "Je suis Charlie" is a good thing, I think it was Phos who mentioned somewhere on EF that its a good safe outlet for people to vent their frustrations
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Old 14.01.2015, 11:48
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Just noticed that printed in bold type underneath the name of "Intermarché" on the top of the receipt from my supermarket shop on Monday is
"nous sommes Charlie"

I was very touched by the photo of the Agence France Presse journalists holding up signs "je suis Charlie" at the window of their offices the day after the shootings, but am now wondering if it is possible to devalue the message by overuse? Surely not with something so fundamental ..but my supermarket receipt???
I'm not sure how a large corporation showing that it also has a heart by using a clever method to spread the message and show its support to all it's customers can "devalue" the message, unless there is some logic to your question that I'm missing.
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Old 14.01.2015, 11:51
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Who said I was tolerant of everyone elses opinions? I'm not, especially when I really, really don't agree with them. Great, this freedom of speech thing, ain't it?
I'd love to agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
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Old 14.01.2015, 11:52
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I thought Hebdo was French for "Brown"
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Old 14.01.2015, 11:57
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I'm not sure how a large corporation showing that it also has a heart by using a clever method to spread the message and show its support to all it's customers can "devalue" the message, unless there is some logic to your question that I'm missing.
I was in Colmar last weekend and noticed that most of the smaller independent shops had a 'Je Suis Charlie' message in their windows, however the larger chains e.g. FNAC, Paul, Monoprix etc.. did not.
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

Well the mag is sold out / unavailable all over the place. At the train stations this morning, Nyon and Geneva there was a string of people asking for it.. I tried maybe 6 places on the way to work and all sold out / not in yet / don't know when coming. The missus also tried a few places over the border in FR and same story.
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I'm not sure how a large corporation showing that it also has a heart by using a clever method to spread the message and show its support to all it's customers can "devalue" the message, unless there is some logic to your question that I'm missing.
I believe there are better targeted and more effective measures that such a large corporation can take to show its solidarity rather than simply printing an extra bit of text on its receipts. When I asked if they had Charlie Hebdo to buy, I was told they don't usually stock it.
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I believe there are better targeted and more effective measures that such a large corporation can take to show its solidarity rather than simply printing an extra bit of text on its receipts. When I asked if they had Charlie Hebdo to buy, I was told they don't usually stock it.
Other than stocking the magazine, what other better targeted and effective measures would you suggest to reach such a large daily customer base as it gives receipts to?
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Old 14.01.2015, 12:09
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You do so love to make all your comments so personal don't you?

I'm not quite getting the bit where you are being tolerant in allowing others to post their opinions with out you jumping down their throats and questioning their values because they might not be a 100% template of your own.
tsss tsss.....by being a caricature he exercises his right to offend you.
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Old 14.01.2015, 12:12
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Other than stocking the magazine, what other better targeted and effective measures would you suggest to reach such a large daily customer base as it gives receipts to?
Why should they target anyone? I don't look at my shopping receipt to know the news or get a feel for their moral and ethical values.
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Why should they target anyone? I don't look at my shopping receipt to know the news or get a feel for their moral and ethical values.
So tell me, what do you have against them showing support by printing it on their receipts? What could be any possible downside or negative aspect to it other than your faux-outrage at feeling like you are somehow being told what to feel or think?
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Other than stocking the magazine, what other better targeted and effective measures would you suggest to reach such a large daily customer base as it gives receipts to?
Would they have the balls to actually print Mohammed caricatures on their receipts?

If not, to me its just grandstanding.
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So tell me, what do you have against them showing support by printing it on their receipts? What could be any possible downside or negative aspect to it other than your faux-outrage at feeling like you are somehow being told what to feel or think?
You're in full rottweiler mode today Rich
Anyway I don't have a problem with them printing that message, however I am free to question their intent. If its an ostentatious, we need to be seen to be doing this then I find it completely pointless and quite cynical.
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You're in full rottweiler mode today Rich
Anyway I don't have a problem with them printing that message, however I am free to question their intent. If its an ostentatious, we need to be seen to be doing this then I find it completely pointless and quite cynical.
That was rather my initial reaction - particularly coupled with the fact that they don't regularly stock the magazine in their otherwise quite large newspaper selection. But then I wondered if it was more my problem with ostentatious displays than theirs.

I posted it here because I was interested to see other peoples' views but didn't quite count on the difficulty of a Rottweiler Richdog .. ironic given the subject under discussion.
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You're in full rottweiler mode today Rich
Anyway I don't have a problem with them printing that message, however I am free to question their intent. If its an ostentatious, we need to be seen to be doing this then I find it completely pointless and quite cynical.
The point I am making, is why do you assume it is ostentatious and cynical, as opposed to a genuine reaction to one of the worst national tragedies of recent history.

The only cynicism I see is in your post.

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I posted it here because I was interested to see other peoples' views but didn't quite count on the difficulty of a Rottweiler Richdog .. ironic given the subject under discussion.
Don't be such a wet blanket. It's a political thread with strong opinions on every side, if you aren't prepared to have your publicly-viewable opinions questions then don't post them publicly.
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