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View Poll Results: Had you read Charlie Hebdo before the massacre last week?
Yes, and I thought it was interesting and thought provoking 13 9.70%
Yes, and I thought it was dreadful and offensive 7 5.22%
Yes, but I have opinion either way 6 4.48%
I'd heard of it, but never read it 30 22.39%
Never read it 78 58.21%
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Old 14.01.2015, 13:33
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Well the mag is sold out / unavailable all over the place. At the train stations this morning, Nyon and Geneva there was a string of people asking for it.. I tried maybe 6 places on the way to work and all sold out / not in yet / don't know when coming. The missus also tried a few places over the border in FR and same story.
My husband has reserved one and was told today that they would be in on Friday.
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Old 14.01.2015, 14:04
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It's a political thread with strong opinions on every side, if you aren't prepared to have your publicly-viewable opinions questions then don't post them publicly.
I've read it through this thread again and I don't agree. I think you're mixing it up with the other thread.

France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

This thread is primarily a discussion about the magazine itself and opinions on it.

One could argue that the 'je suis Charlie' till receipt discussions actually belong on the other thread as they're not really relevant to the discussion going on here.

The guy who started the 'Je suis Charlie' concept in the first place is concerned about the way it's going now and the possibility of unscrupous people cashing in on the whole thing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-30797059
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I've read it through this thread again and I don't agree. I think you're mixing it up with the other thread.

France: Charlie Hebdo Office shootings

This thread is primarily a discussion about the magazine itself and opinions on it.

One could argue that the 'je suis Charlie' till receipt discussions actually belong on the other thread as they're not really relevant to the discussion going on here.
Who cares what the original intent of the thread was, the fact is threads evolve, and I responded to a comment in the thread. What an anal point to try and make...

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The guy who started the 'Je suis Charlie' concept in the first place is concerned about the way it's going now and the possibility of unscrupous people cashing in on the whole thing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-30797059
Yes, concerned about people trademarking it. Clearly, that is wrong. Not sure the supermarket did that though.

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Old 14.01.2015, 14:47
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

This weeks print run now raised to 5m from 3m.

The law of unexpected consequences strikes again!

As already posted the irony is that the magazine was not in a good financial state; if left alone it might even have closed - now it is a huge success plus received cash injections
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Old 14.01.2015, 15:26
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.... but am now wondering if it is possible to devalue the message by overuse? Surely not with something so fundamental ..but my supermarket receipt???
Sure, this will soon get very nauseating. Horrible things usually happen after a period of sudden flag-waving. There is a hangover. We'll see where this one goes, whether unity holds, and what that unity even means anyway.

I'm not sure those messages on receipts are centrally controlled at corporate HQ. Most of those Point Of Sale systems are run locally, or regionally. System Admins have a way to enter a short message or slogan such as "Have a Nice Day!". It looks like someone decided to make use of it for you receipt, but I don't think there are any huge philosophical issue to discuss about it. Just someone finding an opportunity to express solidarity with France. Have another!

I'd buy some copies of Charlie Hebdo if I can find them. I'm sure they will someday be collectors items. We'll likely see monuments dedicated to them. Europeans are all into that monument thing.
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Old 14.01.2015, 15:28
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I'd buy some copies of Charlie Hebdo if I can find them. I'm sure they will someday be collectors items. We'll likely see monuments dedicated to them. Europeans are all into that monument thing.
That's the problem with having a history!

Hey, you even got one (from the French) for your short history.
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Old 14.01.2015, 15:34
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That's the problem with having a history!
France: 'We will NEVER capitulate to fascism'

You mean 'Again'??
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Old 14.01.2015, 15:45
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

I'd never heard of it before last week
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Old 14.01.2015, 15:45
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

I've not read the previous 99 posts....

More to the point maybe, "How many EF members could read Charlie Hebdo ?"
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Old 14.01.2015, 15:48
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I've not read the previous 99 posts....

More to the point maybe, "How many EF members could read Charlie Hebdo ?"
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Old 14.01.2015, 16:21
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This weeks print run now raised to 5m from 3m.

The law of unexpected consequences strikes again!

As already posted the irony is that the magazine was not in a good financial state; if left alone it might even have closed - now it is a huge success plus received cash injections
I'm having trouble finding out who the owners of Charlie Hebdo are (I tried to find it online). Does anyone know?

I guess the reason I was curious is because, if this magazine does go on to make a lot of money, I do think some of that money should be given to the families of the victims, since all of this came at (primarily) their "expense."
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I guess the reason I was curious is because, if this magazine does go on to make a lot of money, I do think some of that money should be given to the families of the victims, since all of this came at (primarily) their "expense."
All the revenue from this week's edition is being donated to the victim's families. I don't imagine anyone has thought beyond that at the moment.
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

My two cents:

- "Je suis Charlie" is a mourning sign. If you're French, you get it, otherwise, just take our word for it.

- Being able to read Charlie Hebdo is one thing, understanding and agreeing it yet another. This applies to French people too. Language is necessary, culture literacy helps getting it right, the rest is personal and we are all different, even the French.

- The talks about saving the journal were already going on, with alternative plans like going online etc. They were taking care of their future and did not need to die for that.

- Charlie Hebdo is owned at 80% by the five founding members who created Les éditions Kalachnikov, I don't know if it's a Ldt or another status, sorry. But this make them totally independent.

- It is a political newspaper stating about themselves representing pluralistic left ideas included the ones of non-voters. Don't look for neutrality and mercantilism in it, it's not there.

- It's an anticlerical newspaper, not only following a long French tradition the French government also defends, but they are very engaged in the anticlerical debate within France and for the world in general.
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Re: How many EF members had actually read Charlie Hebdo before this week?

So, anyone managed to get hold of a copy of the new edition?
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Therein lies the irony. Everyone is jumping to the magazine's defense to allow them to continue their satirical outlook, but in reality no one would suffer one iota if it disappeared without a trace.

You could conclude that what a lot of people actually meant with their public grieving was, "we are really scared by radical IS terrorists running around Europe and maybe our neighbor with a headscarf, but we don't have anyway of dealing with it, so we'll all be Charlie and feel that we're protecting freedom of speech liberties we think we should have as a right".



It is a matter of principle. Whenever I am not to read the Journal and detest most of their views, I defend their right to use the freedom-of-press. I am NOT an NZZ reader but was very happy when they rejected the attack of the Blocherites
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