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Re: Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

I've seen that video, I shan't be putting it on again because of the annoying music that sticks firmly in one's head!!

We've had "the talk" already with our eldest (about how babies are made), as she asked and we felt that she was ready; but she hasn't mentioned it since, I don't know whether she has forgotten about it or not.

It can be difficult sometimes as a parent to handle certain situations! I've had, "Mum, do you know it feels really nice when you stroke your privates? You should try it!" aww . I have also had my kids in the bath (one of each gender) putting theirs together and laughing saying "mine wants to kiss yours!" etc!!

Takes a LOT of skill to be able to, 1) not laugh, 2) not make them feel ashamed about it and 3) teach them the boundaries of society (eg what you should not do in public etc)

Edit meant to say I try to handle it living up to those 3 points but always think I could have done better, and I find it hard not to say the wrong thing by accident or keep a straight face. Age-appropriate sex-ed for kids would be welcomed by me for one! I'd watch it first though to see if I thought it was well done.

I think kids are never too young to learn about this stuff. Adapt the content for the age appropriately of course. I have curious children so I answer whenever a question comes up, I'm not sure when I would feel it's time to tell them if it were me who had to make the initiative though... does this ever happen? Or are all kids curious? (I was also!)
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Now let's make sure my kids don't see it.
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General message: Remember, dear parents, that if you don't educate your children early, internet porn will.
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Old 18.01.2015, 17:58
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One can't fight internet.

General message: Remember, dear parents, that if you don't educate your children early, internet porn will.
I still have a couple of years.
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Old 18.01.2015, 18:17
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It's a pretty typical Swiss German uptight kind of response.....well more like a typical wannabe Swiss-German expat response. yawn.
Given that it's Swedish parents who are objecting, perhaps I'm a typical wannabe Swede expat?

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exactly. It's not the ones who are educated about sex who end up pregnant at 14.
In the UK it is. The government's solution? More sex education at younger ages. The UK has the same amount of sex education as the Netherlands. Yet the levels of teenage pregnancy are way higher. So I suspect the cause isn't the lack (or excess) of sex education.
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I still have a couple of years.
Good one, they exchange the first porn pictures at 10-11, it's not that long ago you gave birth. Enjoy and don't let them watch Swedish telly in the mean time.
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Re: Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

Well, I personally think that it's extremely important to have some kind of discussion with kids, beginning at a very early age. Forgive me if this is too much information, but my grandfather fondled me repeatedly, beginning around the age of three. Neither of my parents ever had any kind of "talk" with me, so I really had no idea that what he was doing to me was wrong, until I was older.

My son is now three years old. And I have told him that his "parts" are only to be used for making pee and poo. I've seen him playing with his "business" a few times in the bathtub, etc. but I know that's completely normal, and I haven't made a big deal out of it, because I know that will probably just make him do it more (to get my attention). I should probably think about having some kind of discussion with him this year. (One of the workers in a Krippe near us was caught molesting the kids, not too long ago )

Anyways, I think this Swedish cartoon might help provide parents with a good opportunity to further explain issues about sexuality, etc. to their young children... especially since it's not always an easy subject to bring up, particularly if the kids don't seem to have much of an understanding that sex even exists, in the first place.

I suspect that a lack of this kind of knowledge can cause much more harm than can the knowledge itself.
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Old 19.01.2015, 11:23
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Comparing Barnkanalen to Cbeebies is rather a stretch.

Preschool TV as a babysitter in Sweden does not exist, govt subsidised nurseries make sure young children have someplace to go play in/out during the day. Unless one pays for cable channel, the SVT childrens TV only broadcasts for limited hours - perhaps waking to school start (handy for parents wanting to sleep a bit longer) and late afternoon until dinner time, and NO commercials.

My daughter goes to school in Sweden and her classmates just laughed about the "controversial" film. The type of self-mocking "aren't we mature?" They are not embarrassed to share a sauna with opposite gender, nor to change in front of classmates after PE w/o having to turn to a corner to put on and take off their bras.

It baffles me that grown women in UK still expect to find separate cubicles in every single-sex swimming pool changing room, or the nurse that apologises because one needs to pull down knickers for certain female issues.

The human body is a beautiful thing in all its incarnations - teaching (whether knowingly or not) shame/embarrassment is completely counterproductive to healthy relationships further along in life.
Cultural differences.
I think that comes from the beautiful "sauna culture" you have over there. I remember I was totally shocked when hearing that in countries from Scandinavia the whole family gets naked in the sauna. Now that we (me and OH) visit Austria quite often, their sauna culture cured me of many inhibitions. You're simply not allowed in the sauna with your swimming suit so it's take it or leave it. And when you're the only person who goes there wrapped in a towel and you kind of stick out and see raised eyebrows...but then again, unlike my OH I'm still not comfortable with it and totally avoid eye contact with anyone. (Provincials will be provincials )
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Old 19.01.2015, 11:34
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...Now that we (me and OH) visit Austria quite often, their sauna culture cured me of many inhibitions. You're simply not allowed in the sauna with your swimming suit so it's take it or leave it...
I've had the same experience. Though last time, there were many people (don't know the nationality) not just wrapped in towels (which is fine by me, if they feel shy), but were wearing their swimming costumes under the towels.

I read about one guy who got into a large hot tub, and then realised everyone was naked, so surreptitiously removed his trunks. A little while later, his fellow bathers left and were replaced. He finished his soak, and it was only when he got out that he realised that the new people were in their costumes.
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I've had the same experience. Though last time, there were many people (don't know the nationality) not just wrapped in towels (which is fine by me, if they feel shy), but were wearing their swimming costumes under the towels.

I read about one guy who got into a large hot tub, and then realised everyone was naked, so surreptitiously removed his trunks. A little while later, his fellow bathers left and were replaced. He finished his soak, and it was only when he got out that he realised that the new people were in their costumes.
These prudish people...my OH used to repeatedly assure me that in an Austrian sauna "nobody is looking at anyone, no-one cares"...well, that wasn't totally true of course...but the fact is they are indeed very relaxed about this matter. Now I tend to laugh (inside) at those who wrap themselves in towels. (I was one of them)
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Cultural differences.
I think that comes from the beautiful "sauna culture" you have over there. I remember I was totally shocked when hearing that in countries from Scandinavia the whole family gets naked in the sauna. Now that we (me and OH) visit Austria quite often, their sauna culture cured me of many inhibitions. You're simply not allowed in the sauna with your swimming suit so it's take it or leave it. And when you're the only person who goes there wrapped in a towel and you kind of stick out and see raised eyebrows...but then again, unlike my OH I'm still not comfortable with it and totally avoid eye contact with anyone. (Provincials will be provincials )
You need to try one if those wood-fired saunas near a lake, alone first, or just you and OH. After a few sessions au naturel with the cooling off session in the lake, you'll start to be a convert. (It sounds a bit like the bare-running wave), just feet, not the naked hikers. I have nothing against nudity but some activities just seem to "require" clothes) Saunas at hotels and resorts are sometimes quite odd because many are having there initiation, noone is really sure how to "behave".

OH finds himself often alone in the sauna reading "renovation porn" - only place he can escape without being asked to do something...
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You need to try one if those wood-fired saunas near a lake, alone first, or just you and OH. After a few sessions au naturel with the cooling off session in the lake, you'll start to be a convert. (It sounds a bit like the bare-running wave), just feet, not the naked hikers. I have nothing against nudity but some activities just seem to "require" clothes) Saunas at hotels and resorts are sometimes quite odd because many are having there initiation, noone is really sure how to "behave".

OH finds himself often alone in the sauna reading "renovation porn" - only place he can escape without being asked to do something...
I am a convert, I love to go to sauna for quite some time now, especially in a private one. My first sauna bath ever was in a wooden women only sauna (they guys section was next to it), at the lake (I didn't have the courage to cool off afterwards though), and back then I was among the very few girls with a swimming suit, but it was allowed. It only looked weird and of course I realised how ridiculous I was.
Mixed public ones where nudity is required are still a bit odd to me, even though I wouldn't deprive myself (us) of taking a good sauna bath because of this. The truth is I found myself alone many times, or just me and OH in a sauna for 15 people...happy that not all people appreciate it. (I'm a bit selfish)
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Re: Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

The "parental outcry" is greatly exaggerated, most parents find the video funny. However this is Sweden after all, the most PK of nations so PK voices shout the loudest, pointing out for example that there are "girls" who have penises and vice versa. Sigh..

And blogger (and parent) Alex Schulman liked the video however wrote a satirical article about the fact that the penis in the video is erect.
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Re: Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

When it comes to nudity, there's a wide spectrum (much like any other topic). There are extremes on both sides, and no matter how 'correct' one finds their opinion, there will always be people who find that opinion prudish or too liberal (or whatever you want to call it).

How this fits into Swedish culture, I'm not too sure as I have only visited for business in the Winter, and everyone was bundled up. However, in North America culture, something like this is a no-go and that must be respected. From my experience with Swiss culture, I think it is fairly acceptable.
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When it comes to nudity, there's a wide spectrum (much like any other topic). There are extremes on both sides, and no matter how 'correct' one finds their opinion, there will always be people who find that opinion prudish or too liberal (or whatever you want to call it).

How this fits into Swedish culture, I'm not too sure as I have only visited for business in the Winter, and everyone was bundled up. However, in North America culture, something like this is a no-go and that must be respected. From my experience with Swiss culture, I think it is fairly acceptable.
The point you make about extremes and respecting differences in cultural attitudes, etc very valid, BUT I wonder how it is that this short video, that ultimately will be part of children's science program on TV (let's guess the topic is Reproduction) would be a no-go in North America where tweenies dart about in provocative outfits, and are sexualised via Hollywood media

People in Sweden wear clothes (quite modest styles) year-round, just not in the sauna

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The point you make about extremes and respecting differences in cultural attitudes, etc very valid, BUT I wonder how it is that this short video, that ultimately will be part of children's science program on TV (let's guess the topic is Reproduction) would be a no-go in North America where tweenies dart about in provocative outfits, and are sexualised via Hollywood media

People in Sweden wear clothes (quite modest styles) year-round, just not in the sauna
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The point you make about extremes and respecting differences in cultural attitudes, etc very valid, BUT I wonder how it is that this short video, that ultimately will be part of children's science program on TV (let's guess the topic is Reproduction) would be a no-go in North America where tweenies dart about in provocative outfits, and are sexualised via Hollywood media

People in Sweden wear clothes (quite modest styles) year-round, just not in the sauna
As part of an educational segment on reproduction, I could see it's validity. That being said, I would think most would agree this would be a on-demand showing rather than a common broadcast. The need for reproductive education in the primary years of course is up for debate. As for the clothing style of 'tweens' I find it is more the exception rather than the norm. If one was to enter most class rooms, the clothing style would be fairly similar to that of Europe. There are cases of provocative clothing, but I feel that has been over sensationalized by media (as many of the 'problems' of North America have been).
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