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Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

I am already struggling with the breadth, depth and number of questions from my 3 yo, thank God I don't also have this to deal with this

Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

Parents complain about cartoon video for children’s channel Barnkanalen showing penises and vaginas smiling and dancing

David Crouch in Gothenburg
The Guardian, Wednesday 14 January 2015 20.09 GMT


A still from the one-minute clip for Swedish children’s programme Bacillakuten. Photograph: YouTube/SVT

Sweden has been gripped by a furious row over a children’s cartoon depicting prancing genitals.

The one-minute clip for Barnkanalen – Sweden’s equivalent of CBeebies – shows cartoon penises and vaginas smiling and dancing to the tune of a song which employs words perhaps sometimes used by small children to refer to their private parts.

“Here comes Willie at a run, he has no pants,” goes the song. “Twinkle is cool, you better believe it, even on an old lady … Willie and Twinkle, what a great gang!”

The clip, viewed almost 3m times on YouTube and Facebook, was produced for Bacillakuten, a programme that aims to educate children aged three to six about the body.



The song’s Facebook page includes outraged comments by some parents who are offended that children of that age should be expected to talk about genitals.

“What on earth? What the hell? Is this supposed to be educational?” wrote one. “I’ve always wondered how much drugs are being done in the children’s entertainment industry,” wrote another.

Other comments have been more supportive. “Great song about the most natural thing possible. Superb!” said one mother. “Fun song and fun video. Too bad adults turn something so nice and natural into something shameful,” noted another.

Blogger Alex Schulman objected that the clip is too sexualised, with the vaginas “prudent, innocent and sweet”, while the apparently erect penises are “wild things”.

The song was written and performed by Johan Holmström, whose previous ditties for the programme include “Pee, farting and pooping”, “I like slime”, and “Molluscs in my pants”.

“I feel sorry for those parents who get upset, this is a harmless music video,” Holmström said. A full-length version of the song will hopefully be released as a single on Spotify, he added.

The clip gained further notoriety when it was briefly classified by YouTube as “adult” content requiring viewers to confirm they are aged over 18, but the programme makers persuaded the company to relent.

Kajsa Peters, the programme’s executive producer, said reaction had been overwhelmingly supportive. “We aim our programmes at children, but most parents watch them with the kids and we hope we make it easier for them to talk about and explain things.”

She added: “When there is so much discussion and debate maybe that means it’s something society needs.”

The clip was released ahead of the programme, which airs at the end of next month and is entirely devoted to genitals. “I will be very interested to see what the reaction will be after it comes out,” Holmström said.

Caroline Ginner, project leader for children’s programming at education broadcaster UR, told a Swedish TV website: “Let’s keep the secret that children have vaginas and penises until they are 18. Probably they won’t notice anything in their pants before then, and once they do, then this disgusting thing will be hopefully covered in guilt and shame.”

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Re: Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

What a bunch of idiots. Talk to your kids about sex when they ask and stop shaming them and you might have a healthy relationship when they get to an age when you really want them to feel able to talk to you! Kids have genitals - get over it. Make sure they know they correct names for them and not just willie and twinkle and you might stop a sexual predator too. The people objecting to this are dumb and repressed.
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What a bunch of idiots. Talk to your kids about sex when they ask and stop shaming them and you might have a healthy relationship when they get to an age when you really want them to feel able to talk to you! Kids have genitals - get over it. Make sure they know they correct names for them and not just willie and twinkle and you might stop a sexual predator too. The people objecting to this are dumb and repressed.
Exactly, talk about it when they ask or when the parent feels its the right time to have 'The Talk'. However putting this material on pre-school TV is forcing an agenda which to be honest, isn't something my kid is thinking about at this stage in his life.
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Re: Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

My five year old :

Kid : Dad - Your tummy is too big
Me : Yeah I eat too much, it'll get smaller soon.
Kid : Mummy had a big tummy with baby, then it got smaller
Me : Maybe I've got a baby too
Kid : No you're just fat

Kid : Does a baby come out of your bottom
Me : Well sort of, we'll go into that later
Kid : Yuk .. It must stink like poo

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... isn't something my kid is thinking about at this stage in his life.
Or most kids. Answer their questions without embarrassment when they ask, that's all that's needed. This also seems to me to be forcing an agenda, and inappropriate material for a kids program, based on a few people's idea of what is healthy. There seems to be a real danger here of sexualising pre-pubescents.

While some of the people objecting to this are probably dumb and repressed, I think people who label all people who object to this as dumb and repressed are extremely dumb.

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Kid : Dad - Your tummy is too big
Me : Yeah I eat too much, it'll get smaller soon.
Kid : Mummy had a big tummy with baby, then it got smaller
Me : Maybe I've got a baby too
Kid : No you're just fat

Kid : Does a baby come out of your bottom
Why not say "No - there's a special place that babies come out of". Though I'd have closed the conversation down at "No, you're just fat". Cheeky beggar!
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Or most kids. Answer their questions without embarrassment when they ask, that's all that's needed. This also seems to me to be forcing an agenda, and inappropriate material for a kids program, based on a few people's idea of what is healthy. There seems to be a real danger here of sexualising pre-pubescents.

While some of the people objecting to this are probably dumb and repressed, I think people who label all people who object to this as dumb and repressed are extremely dumb.

It's a pretty typical Swiss German uptight kind of response.....well more like a typical wannabe Swiss-German expat response. yawn.

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Or most kids. Answer their questions without embarrassment when they ask, that's all that's needed. This also seems to me to be forcing an agenda, and inappropriate material for a kids program, based on a few people's idea of what is healthy. There seems to be a real danger here of sexualising pre-pubescents.

While some of the people objecting to this are probably dumb and repressed, I think people who label all people who object to this as dumb and repressed are extremely dumb.



Why not say "No - there's a special place that babies come out of". Though I'd have closed the conversation down at "No, you're just fat". Cheeky beggar!
Because discussion at the dinner table is more limited to VEG than VAG.

Dinner would have gone cold, she not very good at talking and eating at the best of times, let alone talking about the special place that daddy goes to on his birthday.
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Re: Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

Hahahahahahahahaha

Couldn't stop laughing. Now let's make sure my kids don't see it.

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Wonderful!

Why did Disney not think of this half a century ago?
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Exactly, talk about it when they ask or when the parent feels its the right time to have 'The Talk'. However putting this material on pre-school TV is forcing an agenda which to be honest, isn't something my kid is thinking about at this stage in his life.
Comparing Barnkanalen to Cbeebies is rather a stretch.

Preschool TV as a babysitter in Sweden does not exist, govt subsidised nurseries make sure young children have someplace to go play in/out during the day. Unless one pays for cable channel, the SVT childrens TV only broadcasts for limited hours - perhaps waking to school start (handy for parents wanting to sleep a bit longer) and late afternoon until dinner time, and NO commercials.

My daughter goes to school in Sweden and her classmates just laughed about the "controversial" film. The type of self-mocking "aren't we mature?" They are not embarrassed to share a sauna with opposite gender, nor to change in front of classmates after PE w/o having to turn to a corner to put on and take off their bras.

It baffles me that grown women in UK still expect to find separate cubicles in every single-sex swimming pool changing room, or the nurse that apologises because one needs to pull down knickers for certain female issues.

The human body is a beautiful thing in all its incarnations - teaching (whether knowingly or not) shame/embarrassment is completely counterproductive to healthy relationships further along in life.
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It's a pretty typical Swiss German uptight kind of response.....well more like a typical wannabe Swiss-German expat response. yawn.
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erm Swiss German....I was referring to NotAllThere's post.... I will go back and edit to be clearer if you like....
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Re: Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

I`m amused.

And then I thought ..... I wonder what the parents are going to say/do when winky decides to try inserting itself into little vagi?

Are we teaching them about ... what exactly? That they have genitals? What genitals are for? When appropriate to pee out of, and when appropriate to experiment with insertion? (next problem to arrive after viewing, contemplation , and playground discussion).

Why are adults making such a huge fuss these days about "showing" little children that they have private parts?

In "the olden days" every kid knew they had genitals - the only problems my particular neighborhood had with that was finding a place to hold under 8yr old strip shows! A neighbor with 5 daughters (& 7 boys living across the road) had to demolish the girls outdoor (real miniature house built with brick/thatch roof) play house! (attempting to assert damage control) Next they had to demolish the old chicken runs in backyard. Them kids never needed to be told they had genitals and what they could do with them!

In my opinion TV is bad enough depicting what a headache/stomach ache/indigestion/etc "looks like". And sanitary pad ads........

In a few years time probably, up will come jingles about "Now you`re 16, you can take the PILL, and have SEX!" - showing explicitly how to insert penis into vagina?

Effed up world these days - imo. Actually re-reading my post, it`s probably always been effed up. It just gets more "Facebook-y-fied" these days.
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Re: Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

I just showed this to my boys (4 1/2 & almost 3). They think it is a dog bone and a nut. Mind you, they don't speak Swedish, but they are not traumatized at all after watching that.
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As I was probably the only person in Sweden (and next week CH) NOT to have seen this (protecting my adult sensitivitiesw/youtube safety settings that I hadn't turned off) I watched it on http://barnkanalen.se. I was laughing hysterically - it is even "better" if one understands the lyrics.

I realise I must correct my previous statement that children's TV only available at certain times-of-day...forgot about internet option, but on the regular box/screen it is still limited program times.

Just had an interesting conversation about this clip w/my 15yr old - she thinks it is just silly that humans are in some ways ashamed of what "makes" them, even literally. Her theory is that teenage pregnancies are more common in cultures where young males/females are less open with their bodies in a natural way, then in secret they experiment and, guess what?!

She pointed out that people tend to overanalyse things like this, and at school in their café they have been discussing how those who do not necessarily identify with one gender or another may feel. The common opinion amongst her classmates seems to be that even though not all-inclusive, even within the LGBT community most identify with one of these anatomical structures.
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However putting this material on pre-school TV is forcing an agenda which to be honest, isn't something my kid is thinking about at this stage in his life.
How do you know? I remember having lots of sexual thoughts as a kid that I never ever told my parents about.
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Re: Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

I'm pretty sure it's on most 3 year old minds. Not the sexuality of it but certainly the curiosity of it.

It's normal for them to explore themselves, they've obviously had erections by now and they are curious (and pretty entertained) about it. The important thing is not to draw negative attention to it, let them know that it's natural. I told my boys they need to keep it to themselves and that some people called pedophiles are disgusting and may try to look and/or touch it at which point they are to tell myself or their father immediately.

I somewhat agree with keeping it out of pre-school tv to an extent, the education should already have been started by the parents although some parents never get around to it so the kids end up completely clueless. Just last week I actually heard Wendy ask Bob the Builder "do you need a hand taking your tool out Bob?"

Maybe my kids are just really curious but I can't think of much I haven't been asked yet. I'm always honest about whatever they want to know. When my then 2.5 year old brought me a band aid for blood that he had seen when I got out of the shower he learned about ovulation and fertilization. no point getting flustered, if they ask... tell them. I want them to know that there is nothing they can't talk to me about.

A recent example: Mommy, how do you pee if you don't have a penis?
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Re: Swedish children’s TV dancing genitals cartoon sparks parental outcry

This clip is from Bacillakuten, one program on children's channel. It is not intended to be for pre-school aged children (meaning 2-3 yrs, as in Sweden they start school at 6 (K) and Yr 1 aged 7.
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exactly. It's not the ones who are educated about sex who end up pregnant at 14. Same principle applies with drinking. Every one I know who was introduced to alcohol on special occasions with family: for example, glass of watered down wine for a 13 year old at a wedding, half a beer for a birthday etc.. have a more responsible attitude towards drinking vs the ones who were forbidden and then suddenly let loose at 19, or worse at 21!

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As I was probably the only person in Sweden (and next week CH) NOT to have seen this (protecting my adult sensitivitiesw/youtube safety settings that I hadn't turned off) I watched it on http://barnkanalen.se. I was laughing hysterically - it is even "better" if one understands the lyrics.

I realise I must correct my previous statement that children's TV only available at certain times-of-day...forgot about internet option, but on the regular box/screen it is still limited program times.

Just had an interesting conversation about this clip w/my 15yr old - she thinks it is just silly that humans are in some ways ashamed of what "makes" them, even literally. Her theory is that teenage pregnancies are more common in cultures where young males/females are less open with their bodies in a natural way, then in secret they experiment and, guess what?!

She pointed out that people tend to overanalyse things like this, and at school in their café they have been discussing how those who do not necessarily identify with one gender or another may feel. The common opinion amongst her classmates seems to be that even though not all-inclusive, even within the LGBT community most identify with one of these anatomical structures.
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