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Old 29.01.2015, 15:50
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I find any sorts of addicts are generally selfish, maybe not all of them, as some wouldn't smoke near children.

To be honest, I don't know why the law did not extend to prohibiting smoking in public places and not just restaurants and bars!

I find it quite entertaining when smokers come up with an argument defending themselves of something that's harmful to them and others around them, is unhygienic and awful smelling. I bet it's also costing the good old NHS a lot of money and considering that now it's almost socially unacceptable to smoke near people especially children, the days of smoking in public places are numbered.

I wonder what they'll come up with next? Probably start quoting smoking is part of "freedom of expression" with a banner "I'm a smoker".

I also think it's pathetic that they don't have the will power to give up, as if someone really forced them to start smoking in the first place or as if it is something that tastes nice or beneficial to their health.

I'm very certain that the days of smoking in public places are soon going to come to an end.
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Old 29.01.2015, 15:53
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What did these men all have in common?









It's a slippery slope indeed. A slippery slope to totalitarianism, brutality and a vegetarian diet.
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Old 29.01.2015, 15:56
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Wow, Dougals Breakfast, not bothered about your red blobs, but would have preferred your reply with a sensible constructive criticism.
You want constructive?


Stop being a Nazi!


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Old 29.01.2015, 16:28
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What did these men all have in common?
...and Stalin smoked a pipe and Mao cigarettes (can't be bothered to check more than 2). Your point is?
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Old 29.01.2015, 16:31
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...and Stalin smoked a pipe and Mao cigarettes (can't be bothered to check more than 2). Your point is?

I don't want to be a vegetarian!
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Old 29.01.2015, 16:39
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The financial arguement often doesn't wash however. Although they cost a lot in health care, the combination of tobacco tax income and the money they save the rest of us in unclaimed pensions through them dying early comfortably pays for it in most western countries.
But a lot of them need expensive and long term hospital care as they'll be dying a long and very painful self-inflicted death.

A doubt their tax money will cover all of this.
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Old 29.01.2015, 16:46
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It's a slippery slope indeed. A slippery slope to totalitarianism, brutality and a vegetarian diet.
And that has happened in all the countries with more severe anti-smoking laws?
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And that has happened in all the countries with more severe anti-smoking laws?
Yes. Just look at Canada.
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Old 29.01.2015, 17:17
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But a lot of them need expensive and long term hospital care as they'll be dying a long and very painful self-inflicted death.

A doubt their tax money will cover all of this.

Joking aside it is actually true.
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Old 29.01.2015, 17:34
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And that has happened in all the countries with more severe anti-smoking laws?
South Africa has VERY strict anti-smoking laws and I`m unaware of any improvements in any of their social spheres - in fact the entire country is sliding into a mud-ditch, with outright daily crime, unemployment, horrific treatment of their sick, elderly, children, and ordinary citizens.

It was such a joke when I last visited there. On an open platform way out in the sea with wind howling in all directions was a non-smoking restaurant, and because there was a roof over the verandah it was non-smoking outdoors too. Even if smoking was allowed it was impossible to smoke there. What a joke.

On the beach were beggars building sand-castles and threatening anyone viewing them to pay for looking, a crippled boy standing at the traffic lights begging for food money, an old lady sleeping under a plastic bag in the rain, a family living under a tree.
It was actually very embarassing trying to show my Swiss visitor what my country looked like, him not being allowed to smoke anywhere, but seeing all that filth, decay, and social neglect everywhere.

Where there`s a section of roof outdoors - it`s NO-SMOKING - it`s "bad for everyones health" (?)

And in America? Very strict laws re smoking hey? But has American way of life improved any? last I heard they were having a terrible problem with obesity? Heart attacks? Strokes? CANCER, and illegal other drugs?

People need to focus on REAL health, and the cause of the ill-health abounding everywhere in "civilized" countries.
Its not a whiff of second hand smoke that is causing problems.
That is just something to take everyones mind off the REAL problems.
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Old 29.01.2015, 17:41
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South Africa has VERY strict anti-smoking laws and I`m unaware of any improvements in any of their social spheres - in fact the entire country is sliding into a mud-ditch, with outright daily crime, unemployment, horrific treatment of their sick, elderly, children, and ordinary citizens.
Who wrote there would be improvements? Not me.

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People need to focus on REAL health, and the cause of the ill-health abounding everywhere in "civilized" countries.
Its not a whiff of second hand smoke that is causing problems.
That is just something to take everyones mind off the REAL problems.
Smoking causes more easily preventable deaths than anything else in the developed world.

Removing cigarettes removed temptation for people to start smoking.

Actually, Smoky, it's pointless arguing with you. You make it up as you go along.

I give up. You win.
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Old 29.01.2015, 17:49
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I give up. You win.
I was wondering how long it would be before you ran out of puff on this thread.
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Smoking causes more easily preventable deaths than anything else in the developed world.

Removing cigarettes removed temptation for people to start smoking.

Actually, Smoky, it's pointless arguing with you. You make it up as you go along.

I give up. You win.
I'm not going to trawl through 3000+ posts to find it but I remember some of her earliest posts on the subject of smoking were to deny that even smoking itself causes cancer, let alone second hand smoke.

I think she honestly believes that all those nice tobacco companies simply wouldn't do anything to harm us.
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I was wondering how long it would be before you ran out of puff on this thread.
I've only given up with Smoky. Her arguments are nonsensical.
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I was wondering how long it would be before you ran out of puff on this thread.
May it never end. The conspiracy theories, claims of persecution and Smoker Facts™ are endlessly entertaining.

The decline in smoking is directly related to the rise of autism! 96% of smokers can run a 3 hour marathon with minimal training! First they came for the Jews, then they came for the smokers! If smoking is so bad for you how come I knew a smoker that lived to be 82?? My mom smoked when she was pregnant and I'm perfectly normal!
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Re: Smokers in Germany

The funny thing about this thread is that I believe unless I am mistaken, all the posters against any smoking laws are actually non-smokers themselves (or so they have said at one time or another on this forum).

I actually know a lot of smokers who would prefer stricter laws to help them give up or cut down.

So Dougals Breakfast et al. I appreciate that you are Guardian-reading do-gooders rather like those in the U.K. who try and ban Christmas in case it offends Muslims living there (it doesn't): Whose battle are you actually fighting?

It's not the anti-smokers, it's not the smokers. What is your pathetic agenda?

No one wants you on their side.
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So Dougals Breakfast et al. I appreciate that you are Guardian-reading do-gooders rather like those in the U.K. who try and ban Christmas in case it offends Muslims living there (it doesn't): Whose battle are you actually fighting?
Er, I don't want to ban anything. Are you drunk again?
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Er, I don't want to ban anything. Are you drunk again?
I didn't say you did. I said you were a Guardian-reading do-gooder who won't mind their own business.
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I didn't say you did. I said you were a Guardian-reading do-gooder who won't mind their own business.
LOL, your doublespeak is hilarious.

If anyone's a bleeding heart do-gooder, it's you. I'm proposing that we leave smokers alone, whereas you want to have them all strung up or something.

Are you sure you're not drunk again?
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Old 29.01.2015, 19:20
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Are you sure you're not drunk again?
Is that the best argument you can come up with?
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