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Is that the best argument you can come up with?
Well, you addicts just can't help yourselves, can you?

When you stop talking shite, I'll stop taking the piss out of you.
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You want constructive?


Stop being a Nazi!


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Is that the best argument you can come up with?
With a constructive criticism like that, I wouldn't expect anything intelligent.
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With a constructive criticism like that, I wouldn't expect anything intelligent.
The Nazis were the first people in the 20th century to come up with the idea of a smoking ban.

You like smoking bans.

Therefore, you're probably good at building motorways and getting the trains to run on time.

That's logic, that is.
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My point of view is that your vice should not interfere with my fresh air. Interestingly enough, it's not the cigar or pipe smokers that seem to be the inconsiderate ones and frankly speaking, cigars and pipes do tend to have a pleasant scent. However, cigarette smokers do not seem to understand how pungent and disgusting cigarettes smell and how non-smokers perceive the smoke. I'm all for live and let live but not when it's affecting my healthy and my fresh air.

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My point of view is that your vice should not interfere with my fresh air. Interestingly enough, it's not the cigar or pipe smokers that seem to be the inconsiderate ones and frankly speaking, cigars and pipes do tend to have a pleasant scent. However, cigarette smokers do not seems to understand how pungent and disgusting cigarettes smell and how non-smokers perceive the smoke. I'm all for live and let live but not when it's affecting my healthy and my fresh air.
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It should be "live and let live" and not "live and let others die" via passive smoking.
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When you stop talking shite, I'll stop taking the piss out of you.
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You've actually got a good point and I've nothing to counter it with so I'll pretend I'm taking the piss but secretly I'm quite upset so I'll give you red blob points and call you names.

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What a loser.
Who's the loser? The one who gets upset every time he goes to the station or sits on his balcony because all the big nasty boys with their cigarettes make his life a misery, or the one who doesn't give a shit about a couple of puffs of smoke?

My problem is that your sort won't stop with cigarettes. That's because your sort are never happy. There'll always be something else you want to stop other people enjoying "for their own good".
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My problem is that your sort won't stop with cigarettes. That's because your sort are never happy. There'll always be something else you want to stop other people enjoying "for their own good".
That is not true. You need to distinguish between activities which can directly harm other people's health and causes discomfort to non-smokers.
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That is not true. You need to distinguish between activities which can directly harm other people's health and causes discomfort to non-smokers.
Yeah, but it is true. I've never met any fierce anti-smoking nutter who wasn't profoundly illiberal in several other respects too.

They're the kind of people who simply cannot stand not having total control over their environment. They have to interfere, to complain, to change things.

They're a right pain in the arse, and a menace to society.
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Yeah, but it is true. I've never met any fierce anti-smoking nutter who wasn't profoundly illiberal in several other respects too.

They're the kind of people who simply cannot stand not having total control over their environment. They have to interfere, to complain, to change things.

They're a right pain in the arse, and a menace to society.
Well, I am not responsible for the people you meet in your life and also, I find it quite simple minded of you to label liberals as all accepting and having no personal preferences when it comes to harmful matters imposed by inconsiderate others.
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I find it quite simple minded of you to label liberals as all accepting and having no personal preferences when it comes to harmful matters imposed by inconsiderate others.
I never said anything of the sort.
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I never said anything of the sort.
You implied that by someone being totally against smoking, they would have to be profoundly illiberal and thus making the point, that if a liberal would be profoundly against smoking, that the weren't a true liberal.
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You implied that by someone being totally against smoking, they would have to be profoundly illiberal and thus making the point, that if a liberal would be profoundly against smoking, that the weren't a true liberal.
Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about.

Who mentioned liberals?
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My point of view is that your vice should not interfere with my fresh air. Interestingly enough, it's not the cigar or pipe smokers that seem to be the inconsiderate ones and frankly speaking, cigars and pipes do tend to have a pleasant scent. However, cigarette smokers do not seem to understand how pungent and disgusting cigarettes smell and how non-smokers perceive the smoke. I'm all for live and let live but not when it's affecting my healthy and my fresh air.
What is it you are unhappy about? That cigarettes don`t smell as pleasant as cigars and pipes?
If cigarettes smelled like cigars/pipes would they be acceptable?
Or is it the 2nd hand smoke you object to?
In which case, smoke is smoke, so what`s the difference how it smells?

Do cigars and pipes also affect your health?
I know many smokers who can`t stand the smell of cigars/pipes, and say it affects their health, but their cigarettes do not.
Only others say their cigarettes affect their (the smokers) health.
Truly a conundrum!

But I must say, when I visit some old people at the Altersheim, the only one`s "normal" there seem to be the smokers! And those that take some alcohol! The purists are either gazing at their laps, or nodding their heads and drooling.
One lady there turns 106 this year, and still smokes - outside!
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I know many smokers who can`t stand the smell of cigars/pipes, and say it affects their health, but their cigarettes do not.
Only others say their cigarettes affect their (the smokers) health.
Truly a conundrum!


This isn't a conundrum, they're just morons. Cigarettes have a negative impact on health. No further discussion needed.


And as far as cigarettes/cigars/pipes go, I personally like the smell of pipe tobacco. But, just because I like it, doesn't mean everyone does, and other people shouldn't have to breathe it in if they don't want to.


The reason cigar/pipe smoking is viewed differently than cigarettes is because of the highly addictive nature of cigarettes which means the addicts smoke whenever and wherever they can because they have to, whereas pipe/cigar smokers enjoy (yes, I knowingly use the word enjoy here) in appropriate settings. When was the list time you saw a guy suck down a Cohiba while waiting for a tram? Or sneak off into a bathroom to take some puffs from his meerschaum pipe?


Smoking a pipe in the evening while sitting in front of a roaring fire is the equivalent of drinking a few fingers of scotch while doing the same. You do it because you want to, because you enjoy it. (and when doing so in a appropriate environment, it doesn't bother anyone else)


Smoking a cigarette at a tram stop is the equivalent of drinking some cough syrup in a bathroom at 9 am. You do it because you think you have to, enjoyment has nothing to do with it.
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This isn't a conundrum, it's called being a moron. Cigarettes have a negative impact on health. No further discussion needed.


And as far as cigarettes/cigars/pipes go, I personally like the smell of pipe tobacco. But, just because I like it, doesn't mean everyone does, and other people shouldn't have to breathe it in if they don't want to.


The reason cigar/pipe smoking is viewed differently than cigarettes is because of the highly addictive nature of cigarettes which means the addicts smoke whenever and wherever they can because they have to, whereas pipe/cigar smokers enjoy (yes, I knowingly use the word enjoy here) in appropriate settings. When was the list time you saw a guy suck down a Cohiba while waiting for a tram? Or sneak off into a bathroom to take some puffs from his meerschaum pipe?


Smoking a pipe in the evening while sitting in front of a roaring fire is the equivalent of drinking a few fingers of scotch while doing the same. You do it because you want to, because you enjoy it. (and when doing so in a appropriate environment, it doesn't bother anyone else)


Smoking a cigarette at a tram stop is the equivalent of drinking some cough syrup in a bathroom at 9 am. You do it because you think you have to, enjoyment has nothing to do with it.
Darl, you`ve just fallen into the exact same trap as set by previous poster.
Because you enjoy the smell of something you assume it beneficial, and conversely, what you dont enjoy the smell of, is health threatening?
If it smells good it must be good, and if it smells bad its bad?

The image of the robust convivial gentleman (appropriately attired in smoking jacket?) puffing on his pipe before the roaring fire ... (I gather that is in his walnut panelled library, studded leather chairs, hunting Greyhound resting at his feet?) with glass of good whisky in hand is mentally more appealing than the skinny addict puffing on his cigarette while waiting for a bus/train? Teenager sucking on glue in toilet? I don`t quite get the cough mixture story, unless the person is ill? which really is not pertinent to our ongoing diatribe here.

I really did once (briefly) know a person who seemed to have similar ideas to you.

Quite wealthy folk, high up the social ladder in their community
This couple entertained on weekends, house full of medical doctors, lawyers, solid town citizens.
They all puffed on cigars and pipes in their lounge while she served drinks/snacks, played classical music, and chatted. Air thick with smoke, quite pungent in fact.

Her maid (they had a maid, lower class of course, but still a person) also smoked, but only cigarettes. She was forbidden to smoke in the garden ... as it spoilt the smell of the roses. She had to go stand out on the road.

So, yes, I guess you could be right somehow? All those cigars and pipes were okay, but a cigarette was not, not even outside where it may interfere with the waft of roses.

But then my own jaded point of view convinced me that if the friends of that couple were NOT of the successful professional influential status they were, would they have also had to go stand out in the road to smoke?

Now, is that a conundrum? Or a moron? It can only be a conundrum. I, or you, must be the moron? As a moron is a stupid person, and a conundrum is a problem difficult to deal with. Or could we be both?
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Smoking a pipe in the evening while sitting in front of a roaring fire is the equivalent of drinking a few fingers of scotch while doing the same
Personally, I like having a few fingers of Scotch to go along with my Cohiba.

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Personally, I like having a few fingers of Scotch to go along with my Cohiba.

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A few fingers of scotch is so much more elegant than a bottle of beer.
Especially when in a dinkum proper whisky glass, cut glass, heavy base, ice cubes first, soda on top.

Whats a Cohiba? I`m going to Denner tomorrow will look for it. Sounds interesting. Or do I have to go to Cuba for it? Or get an extension on the mortgage first?
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Darl, you`ve just fallen into the exact same trap as set by previous poster.
Because you enjoy the smell of something you assume it beneficial, and conversely, what you dont enjoy the smell of, is health threatening?
If it smells good it must be good, and if it smells bad its bad?

The image of the robust convivial gentleman (appropriately attired in smoking jacket?) puffing on his pipe before the roaring fire ... (I gather that is in his walnut panelled library, studded leather chairs, hunting Greyhound resting at his feet?) with glass of good whisky in hand is mentally more appealing than the skinny addict puffing on his cigarette while waiting for a bus/train? Teenager sucking on glue in toilet? I don`t quite get the cough mixture story, unless the person is ill? which really is not pertinent to our ongoing diatribe here.

I really did once (briefly) know a person who seemed to have similar ideas to you.

Quite wealthy folk, high up the social ladder in their community
This couple entertained on weekends, house full of medical doctors, lawyers, solid town citizens.
They all puffed on cigars and pipes in their lounge while she served drinks/snacks, played classical music, and chatted. Air thick with smoke, quite pungent in fact.

Her maid (they had a maid, lower class of course, but still a person) also smoked, but only cigarettes. She was forbidden to smoke in the garden ... as it spoilt the smell of the roses. She had to go stand out on the road.

So, yes, I guess you could be right somehow? All those cigars and pipes were okay, but a cigarette was not, not even outside where it may interfere with the waft of roses.

But then my own jaded point of view convinced me that if the friends of that couple were NOT of the successful professional influential status they were, would they have also had to go stand out in the road to smoke?

Now, is that a conundrum? Or a moron? It can only be a conundrum. I, or you, must be the moron? As a moron is a stupid person, and a conundrum is a problem difficult to deal with. Or could we be both?
What? Smoking is bad for your health, be it cigarettes, pipes, or cigars. Where did I say otherwise? My personal feelings towards the smell of pipe tobacco certainly don't make it any healthier...the manner of smoking (inhaling or not) and frequency (cigarette smokers generally smoke far more than pipe/cigar smokers) has a health impact of course...
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Whats a Cohiba? I`m going to Denner tomorrow will look for it. Sounds interesting. Or do I have to go to Cuba for it? Or get an extension on the mortgage first?
A friend brought me a box from Cuba last week.

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