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You said it was the foreigners a couple of posts ago.

Make up your mind!
It's the Swiss laws that govern where people smoke. Those are behind the rest of the western world.

I don't actually care about most people smoking but I do find my neighbour's habit rather annoying although I've never complained to him as it's his right (as you keep stating).
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Old 25.01.2015, 12:24
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It's the Swiss laws that govern where people smoke. Those are behind the rest of the western world.

I don't actually care about most people smoking but I do find my neighbour's habit rather annoying although I've never complained to him as it's his right (as you keep stating).
What's your opinion on people touching their own bodies in their own country?
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What's your opinion on people touching their own bodies in their own country?
Well, we're in Switzerland so I suppose that all depends on where their great grandparents were born.
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Old 25.01.2015, 12:27
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What's your opinion on people touching their own bodies in their own country?
I'm sorry? What are you wittering on about? You've lost me now.
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Old 25.01.2015, 12:32
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I'm sorry? What are you wittering on about? You've lost me now.
Foreign smokers upsetting you with their carcinogenic fumes on a balcony in Switzerland = no action

Bunch of lads touching their own bodies in their own country = lengthy lecture from neo-imperialist, interrupting their enjoyment of Kill The Infidel III

Looks like you're a bit selective with your acknowledgement of other people's "rights".
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Old 25.01.2015, 12:57
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Foreign smokers upsetting you with their carcinogenic fumes on a balcony in Switzerland = no action
I have to live next to my neighbours. If they are not specifically breaking the law then I'll be courteous to them.

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Bunch of lads touching their own bodies in their own country = lengthy lecture from neo-imperialist, interrupting their enjoyment of Kill The Infidel III
Bunch of Pakistani men masturbating in front of a western women and then trying to grope her does not really in the same category as a neighbour having a smoke.

It wasn't a lengthy lecture anyway. It was a few choice words which did the trick as someone called the Police.

I believe groping of women is illegal in most countries. Why don't you ask your wife or another female what she feels about this subject?

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Looks like you're a bit selective with your acknowledgement of other people's "rights".
Again - ask a woman whether you should have intervened or let the groping go ahead and then ask yourself whose rights are being acknowledged.

What this has to do with smoking I don't really know. I guess that happens when one loses the argument.
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Tantrum? Where? When?

Was that before or after you called me a miserable bastard? Was that before or after you called me names when you neg repped me?

At least I didn't hide when I called you a jerk.
Because you would never go neg repping anyone now would you...
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Old 25.01.2015, 13:10
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It's the Swiss laws that govern where people smoke. Those are behind the rest of the western world.
How so behind?

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Old 25.01.2015, 13:12
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Because you would never go neg repping anyone now would you...
Did I call you anything? No, didn't think so.

Your argument was a bit silly (and a bit racist. What's so wrong with curry? Has passive curry smelling ever harmed children, for example?)
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Did I call you anything? No, didn't think so.

Your argument was a bit silly (and a bit racist. What's so wrong with curry? Has passive curry smelling ever harmed children, for example?)
Oh I'm sorry, your childish petulance is fine as long as you're not calling names, my bad.

Since you seem to be completely missing the point I'll spell it out for you: No one here is saying smoking is beneficial and should be allowed everywhere and anywhere. I'm well aware of its harms and that's why I stopped the nasty habit. The discussion here, however is about someone smoking on their own property. As I value living in a free society where one can determine how they want to live their life and what value they put on their own health and well-being , I don't have a problem with them smoking on their own property.

Perhaps you could explain to me how the very mention of curry is racist as I have a bit of leftover curry in the fridge that I wanted to heat up for lunch but of course I won't if that means more votes for the SVP.
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Old 25.01.2015, 13:24
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I guess that happens when one loses the argument.
I haven't lost any argument. Smoking is still legal. Smoke doesn't bother me when I sit outside my house. If smoke disturbs me when I'm out and about, I move away from it.

It's a fundamental principle called "live and let live". You should try it sometime. Might cheer you up a bit.
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I haven't lost any argument. Smoking is still legal. Smoking doesn't bother me when I sit outside my house. If smoke disturbs me when I'm out and about, I move away from it.

It's a fundamental principle called "live and let live". You should try it sometime. Might cheer you up a bit.
I don't like fundamentals. Christian or otherwise.

I'm quite cheered up actually.
A few verses of Frozen on the guitar just now with my hysterically funny three year old singing along and my five year old doing a funny dance has been the tonic.
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Old 25.01.2015, 13:43
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Since you seem to be completely missing the point I'll spell it out for you: No one here is saying smoking is beneficial and should be allowed everywhere and anywhere. I'm well aware of its harms and that's why I stopped the nasty habit. The discussion here, however is about someone smoking on their own property. As I value living in a free society where one can determine how they want to live their life and what value they put on their own health and well-being , I don't have a problem with them smoking on their own property.

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Nor do I. I have a problem (as do other I know) with people chain-smoking in proximity to others.
There's nothing I can do about it except rant on here. It's good to get things of your chest.


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Perhaps you could explain to me how the very mention of curry is racist as I have a bit of leftover curry in the fridge that I wanted to heat up for lunch but of course I won't if that means more votes for the SVP.
There have been a couple of threads on here where neighbours have complained about people cooking curry. I thought you were referring to those. Apologies. Go ahead and enjoy your curry.
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I haven't lost any argument. Smoking is still legal. Smoke doesn't bother me when I sit outside my house. If smoke disturbs me when I'm out and about, I move away from it.

It's a fundamental principle called "live and let live". You should try it sometime. Might cheer you up a bit.
Hi DB, I have the same motto "live and let live" but I put a caveat on this. From the moment your action affects other people negatively then you can't allow someone to live and let live. If you tried to get off the train at Zurich HB you'll realise that smokers who are slave to their addiction can't wait to spark up, to the point that they'll put the cigarette in their lips and hold the lighter in their hand while waiting to get get off the train. As soon as they get off they'll spark up while walking ahead and everyone behind them including children will need to breathe in their smoke. The platform is narrow so there's no other way to walk to get to the next platform.

Another classic example is that when a smoker sparks up while waiting for the bus, train or tram. I ask you the question, why should it be a non smoker who should move away from a bus, tram or train stop to breathe non smoke filled air?

On a similar example, why should a non smoker with a toddler move away from a line queuing up for a ride in Europa park, whilst a selfish smoker sparks up.
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"live and let live" but I put a caveat on this. From the moment your action affects other people negatively then you can't allow someone to live and let live.
In fact, you can't "let live" if the person's actions don't affect you negatively. Otherwise it's just someone doing something that you don't know about or doesn't affect you and by that logic you're letting all of humanity "live". The point of "live and let live" is to be tolerant of others where their actions negatively affect you.
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In fact, you can't "let live" if the person's actions don't affect you negatively. Otherwise it's just someone doing something that you don't know about or doesn't affect you and by that logic you're letting all of humanity "live". The point of "live and let live" is to be tolerant of others where their actions negatively affect you.
Try telling that to someone with lung cancer from passive smoking. It's more like "live and let other die".
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While out cycling my bike one fine day in this country a farmer spreading slurry on his field intentional/unintentional got some spray over the wall and on to me. That was a bad smell for the 50 km or so home. Give me a smoker on the train any day.
On the tram yesterday I was sitting next to a woman wearing the most pungently disgusting cheap perfume. I think we need to ban perfume off trams.
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Try telling that to someone with lung cancer from passive smoking. It's more like "live and let other die".
Yeah, I'll tell that to someone who smells doughnuts frying and is morbidly obese. What amount of smoke do you feel you're inhaling from a single cigarette, metres away?


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Did I call you anything? No, didn't think so.

Your argument was a bit silly (and a bit racist. What's so wrong with curry? Has passive curry smelling ever harmed children, for example?)
Has sitting next to a non-smoker who reeks of smoke ever harmed anyone?
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Yeah, I'll tell that to someone who smells doughnuts frying and is morbidly obese. What amount of smoke do you feel you're inhaling from a single cigarette, metres away?
As has been written before... many times....it's not a single cigarette. It's many, many throughout the day.
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