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Old 26.01.2015, 17:04
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Are you always such a drama queen?


You should visit the real world from time to time, mate. It might be a revelation for you.
Ok you do. Fair enough.
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Old 26.01.2015, 17:18
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Tom, I seem to recall on another thread that you said all your children smoked.
No, all the women I've ever dated have.

My daughters did, but they've since given it up.

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You've conjured up an image that's breaking your heart.

He's not an old man. He's much younger than me, and with a family.

He sits outside alone as it's a lot less bother than doing anything else.
(The image is not breaking MY heart, it`s yours that seems to be in need of some fine tuning.)

How do you know what his life consists of?

Seems to me you are going thru a judgemental state of mind?
I hope you are feeling better about your part of the universe in a couple days time.

Remember something ...... What you fear comes upon you. So maybe if you stop concentrating so hard on all the smokers around you, they`ll begin to keep a distance away from you?
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Old 26.01.2015, 17:24
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I'd most likely ignore it. A few puffs of smoke from a cigarette aren't going to do much harm.


And if my children were upset by the smoke, we'd move.


I'm really struggling to see the problem here.


It isn't just a few puffs if someone is sitting next to your kid. All of us and our kids have to deal with a "few puffs" all day long, no one really has any other options.


At least you'd acknowledge and accept the fact that the smoke might be bothering them, that's a start I suppose. Although asking the guy who sat down next to your kids and started smoking to kindly do so elsewhere might be the more assertive method....generally the proper course of action when someone does something shitty/thoughtless, especially to kids.
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Old 26.01.2015, 17:27
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(The image is not breaking MY heart, it`s yours that seems to be in need of some fine tuning.)

How do you know what his life consists of?

Seems to me you are going thru a judgemental state of mind?
I hope you are feeling better about your part of the universe in a couple days time.

Remember something ...... What you fear comes upon you. So maybe if you stop concentrating so hard on all the smokers around you, they`ll begin to keep a distance away from you?

What? If you spent a quarter of the effort on quitting smoking that you do on making up persecution scenarios and outlandish theories about the motives of smokers you'd be well on your way!


Just quit. Millions of others have, you can too.
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It wasn't a couple of wafts. The bloke was smoking inches from the newborn's face. And he sat next to me.

I had already moved two or three times.


As I said, do you always let people walk all over you?
Sorry to intervene in your exchange of love letters with DB, but I fail to see how you and your kid being exposed to smoke leads to the idea that smoking should be widely prohibited (because this seems to be your idea, as you even think that one should not be able to smoke on his/her own balcony).
You and your kid are much more exposed to carcinogenics through inhalation of car exhaust than passive smoking, do you therefore consider the idea of prohibiting cars? Or maybe only allowing them when you are not outside?

I tend to agree with DB, I don't think there are self-righteous smokers (I haven't met any), but there are obviously self-righteous almost-extremist non-smokers. You may be one of them.
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Old 26.01.2015, 17:42
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I tend to agree with DB, I don't think there are self-righteous smokers (I haven't met any), but there are obviously self-righteous almost-extremist non-smokers. You may be one of them.
Have you not read anything I've written?
I've only complained to a smoker once in the six years I've been here.
And if you read that post, I was hardly out-of-order in my retort.

How on earth does that make me a self-righteous almost-extremist non-smoker?

You really need to put things in perspective, you know?
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Old 26.01.2015, 17:49
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...but I fail to see how you and your kid being exposed to smoke leads to the idea that smoking should be widely prohibited (because this seems to be your idea, as you even think that one should not be able to smoke on his/her own balcony).
I never wrote that people shouldn't smoke on their own balcony.

There are much more draconian anti smoking laws in other parts of the world - In North America for example where in some states, you're not even allowed to smoke in a public park.

Again, lets keep things in perspective, eh?
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What? If you spent a quarter of the effort on quitting smoking that you do on making up persecution scenarios and outlandish theories about the motives of smokers you'd be well on your way!


Just quit. Millions of others have, you can too.
Art thou adressing me personally?

Seems you may have also fallen into the judgemental trap, methinks?
Seeing my pseudo name?

There`s a long ancient story behind that name, which I`ve had to explain a couple times here on EF, and will not impose it again on other members. Suffice to say it does not relate to my personal imbibing habits.

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I believe that those wishing to live in Switzerland should occupy their own private houses, with large gardens, to seperate themselves from the primitive behaviour of their immediate neighbors, to isolate themselves from wafting noxious fumes. And not use public transport for the same reasons.
If not able to afford that, then migrate to another country. Simple.
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Old 26.01.2015, 18:02
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Art thou adressing me personally?

Seems you may have also fallen into the judgemental trap, methinks?
Seeing my pseudo name?

There`s a long ancient story behind that name, which I`ve had to explain a couple times here on EF, and will not impose it again on other members. Suffice to say it does not relate to my personal imbibing habits.

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I believe that those wishing to live in Switzerland should occupy their own private houses, with large gardens, to seperate themselves from the primitive behaviour of their immediate neighbors, to isolate themselves from wafting noxious fumes. And not use public transport for the same reasons.
If not able to afford that, then migrate to another country. Simple.

We're the ever increasing majority, and the war has already been won. How much longer do you think people will be allowed to smoke in cars? playgrounds? rented apartments?
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Old 26.01.2015, 18:07
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We're the ever increasing majority, and the war has already been won. How much longer do you think people will be allowed to smoke in cars? playgrounds? rented apartments?
The gobby, bullying minority, more like.

Drinkers, fat people and those of you who don't think and believe correctly: you're next!
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Old 26.01.2015, 18:12
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We're the ever increasing majority, and the war has already been won. How much longer do you think people will be allowed to smoke in cars? playgrounds? rented apartments?
Yes, and that is good isn`t it?

In the meantime, a spin-off is that more and more restaurants are closing down. I read recently that Switzerland is losing about 30 restaurants a week. Seems an exageration, but even if not quite that many, plenty are suffering because the non-smokers are just not frequenting them as often as the smokers did in the past.

But at least those that are still in business, are smoke-free!

Now we just have to concern ourselves with things like where to bury the Atomic waste without contaminating ground water systems, how to restrict fly-overs of jets and their fuel dispersion before landing, how to limit the trans Switzerland heavy haulages from surrounding EU countries, where and how to house Asylum seekers, how safe are GM foods containing pesticides, and should Switzerland finally give up their Sfr for Euros?

One down, a few more to work on.
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Old 26.01.2015, 18:15
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The gobby, bullying minority, more like.

Drinkers, fat people and those of you who don't think and believe correctly: you're next!
Yeah, banishing a useless, expensive deadly addiction that has basically been designed to be unable to enjoyed in moderation. So tragic!


If we were just a bullying minority, then smoking rates wouldn't be plummeting as laws against it start increasing around the developed world.
How the heck can someone justify smoking in a car when eating a sandwich or talking on a cell phone is illegal?
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Old 26.01.2015, 18:17
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And when is that ever likely to be the case?
Well to take a real life example from the past, sitting in a 4 person cable car with my two kids (at least they were kids then) with a smoker who insisted as there was no sign prohibiting smoking (it had been scratched off) he was entitled to smoke.

Can't get out of that mid-journey.
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Well to take a real life example from the past, sitting in a 4 person cable car with my two kid (at least they were then) with a smoker who insisted as there was no sign prohibiting smoking (it had been scratched off) he was entitled to smoke.

Can't get out of that mid-journey.

Oh, don't be such a bully. You should just grin and bear it like a proper doormat.
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Yes, and that is good isn`t it?

In the meantime, a spin-off is that more and more restaurants are closing down. I read recently that Switzerland is losing about 30 restaurants a week. Seems an exageration, but even if not quite that many, plenty are suffering because the non-smokers are just not frequenting them as often as the smokers did in the past.

I'm sure that has far more to do with a changing demographic and their desires considering non-smokers eat as much as smokers do, in addition to having more disposable and real income on average.


And in your theory, where did the non-smokers go?
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Well to take a real life example from the past, sitting in a 4 person cable car with my two kids (at least they were kids then) with a smoker who insisted as there was no sign prohibiting smoking (it had been scratched off) he was entitled to smoke.

Can't get out of that mid-journey.
A pretty extreme example, though. Despite having spent a good part of the first half of my adult life in dodgy pubs, working men's clubs and nightclubs, and the second half in Swiss bars and restaurants, on station platforms and at bus stops, I've never experienced anything like the "horror" stories shared in this thread. Never. Not once.

Why is that, I wonder? Good luck? Different expectations of my fellow creatures?

Why are all you lot having so much bad luck all the time?
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Old 26.01.2015, 18:48
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In the meantime, a spin-off is that more and more restaurants are closing down. I read recently that Switzerland is losing about 30 restaurants a week. Seems an exageration, but even if not quite that many, plenty are suffering because the non-smokers are just not frequenting them as often as the smokers did in the past.
I think the decline of restaurants has been happening long before the smoking ban. I think its akin to clubs and societies also struggling to find new members as the old ones die off one by one. It has to do with the fact that people work more irregular hours and spend more time commuting. This affects the structure of their free time. Also, people keep up with their friends via social media and such, reducing the frequency of face to face meetings and thus the need to go into restaurants.
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Tom, did you ask him nicely if he could possibly consider smoking somewhere else? By nicely I mean just that. Maybe you already have, and have not been successful, which is bad, but he is not doing anything illegal. It would be nice of him to stop, not everyone is that considerate of their neighbors unfortunately. Of course, if you go in guns-a-blazing, your chances may be slimmer...

I mention this because when I was a smoker I worked out something with my neighbors where I would smoke in a specific place in the backyard of our building, out of the way, and so as not to bother anyone. On the other hand, my upstairs neighbors covered their hardwood floors with carpets so I would not be bothered by the "playfulness of their kids" (i.e. very annoying, obnoxious, continuous loud stomping) when I was trying to work from home. Win win, accomplished by just talking to each other.
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