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Old 05.02.2015, 11:51
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

In the US, it was implied in a National Defence bill that Obama initially promised to veto. And then he abandoned his commitment to veto it.

Military given go-ahead to detain US terrorist suspects without trial
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Old 05.02.2015, 14:50
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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Of course it is. That is what arrests during trials are for.
Trials come after the arrest. otherwise you'd be putting someone on trial without actually charging them with something.

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Being suspected is a good enough reason to be imprisoned, of course, pending a fair trial in the near future.

Locking up someone without a trial is where the erosion of freedom begins.
Being suspected of a crime, based on reliable information, should lead to an arrest and being charged. Only then can you consider detaining someone, and only then if it is actually necessary.

Issuing blanket arrests for people, imprisoning them, charging them with a crime and then looking for evidence is wrong.


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Surely being suspected of something is never enough to justify removal of liberty...this can only happen after an accusation is made?
yes, after you charge them officially.

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Depends if they have a prosecutable case, and the stakes at risk. If there is a risk to public or national safety, they could certainly hold someone even as they gather evidence.

But there must be evidence to suggest they are a risk to safety. without that evidence, it cannot be justified.

Here's a case of Norway banishing a terrorist to a remote village:
Norway banishes Islamist preacher to remote village after prison release

This particular court decided basic national interest takes precedence over his right to a family and free movement.
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Old 06.02.2015, 17:18
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

That's one of the potentially best ideas they could offer, but I wonder how well somebody who's been involved in something like ISIS would be wiling to see a shrink.

Other ideas... offer that to anybody who needs it.
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Old 06.02.2015, 17:54
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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In Switzerland it is; foreigners are almost never given bail so they sit in prison until the day of their trial.
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Unless one is a paedophile Polish film producer.

If you mean Polanski he was jailed in Switzerland for nearly a year and had all his bail applications denied.
Eventually the Swiss court rejected the U.S. extradition request and released Polanski from custody but he was never given bail.
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Old 13.02.2015, 16:31
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

ISIS launches urgent blood donor appeal to treat wounded fighters after suffering heavy casualties in Coalition air strikes

Who's going to volunteer?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-fighters.html
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Old 13.02.2015, 16:43
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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ISIS launches urgent blood donor appeal to treat wounded fighters after suffering heavy casualties in Coalition air strikes

Who's going to volunteer?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-fighters.html
everybody with a fatal infectious illness is eligible
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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everybody with a fatal infectious illness is eligible
Ebola sufferer comes to mind.
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Old 26.02.2015, 13:58
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

Jihadi John seems to be Mohammed Emwazi from London, aged around 27 years old, http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31640327
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Old 26.02.2015, 14:36
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

State Department has a solution for terrorists.... don't kill them, get them jobs!

What an idiotic bunch of left-wing libtards. They can't even get jobs for all their own people, and they talk about jobs for the whole of the Middle East. For the unemployed looking for work, go on a terrorist spree.

I take it this is the Obama Administration's expression of exasperation and resignation over the issue, and would rather not talk or think about it. In other words, they won't be doing anything to fix it. Next regime please!
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Old 26.02.2015, 16:25
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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State Department has a solution for terrorists.... don't kill them, get them jobs!
Yes, I'm sure they let them have total free reign and don't monitor their every move thereafter.

No Government should ever try to solve a problem by killing people, that can only create problems.
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Old 26.02.2015, 16:46
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

On the contrary, it is the primary responsibility of a government to eliminate threats against its people, including killing those who intend to kill them.
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Old 26.02.2015, 16:49
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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On the contrary, it is the primary responsibility of a government to eliminate threats against its people, including killing those who intend to kill them.
It certainly worked with the indigenous population of your great nation, didn't it?
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Old 26.02.2015, 16:55
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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On the contrary, it is the primary responsibility of a government to eliminate threats against its people, including killing those who intend to kill them.
Absolutely not.

The primary responsibility of the Government is to serve its citizens. Period. I can see how an American may have lost sight of this.

Killing people is not in the best interest of its citizens. If it is resorting to this, then something way back down the chain has gone very badly wrong. Fix that instead.
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Old 26.02.2015, 17:09
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The primary responsibility of the Government is to serve its citizens. Period. I can see how an American may have lost sight of this.
Oh no, that is the first responsibility of other kinds of governments, to serve its citizens... on a plate. The first responsibility of the US Government is to protect its people and their property. Seriously, look it up.
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No Government should ever try to solve a problem by killing people, that can only create problems.
it all depends upon the scope, really - pretty significant killing during the middle part of the 20th Century changed the course of history for 2 of the world's currently leading economies, and changed it much for the better. and I don't write that only because I'm an American or because I am a fan of killing, since the US was not the party principally responsible for the killing in one of those countries and I pretty much find all acts of war to be appalling and inexcusable.

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Old 26.02.2015, 17:11
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

Even if that were true Phos, how does killing your citizens protect them?

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Old 26.02.2015, 17:14
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Even if that was true, how does killing your citizens protect them?
No, not killing your own citizens. The terrorists. <sigh>
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Old 26.02.2015, 17:16
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No, not killing your own citizens. The terrorists. <sigh>
Don't forget to give them lots of money first, though.
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No, not killing your own citizens. The terrorists. <sigh>
some of the terrorists also happen to be Swedish, British, German, French, Danish or even American citizens.
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Old 26.02.2015, 17:21
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Re: Muslim terrorists to get state jobs and free shrinks if they decide to leave ISIS

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No, not killing your own citizens. The terrorists. <sigh>
Timothy McVeigh?

<sigh>
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