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Old 23.01.2015, 13:48
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Maybe another way to appease the Jewish community
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Im sure, if given the choice, they'd rather be appeased by Islamists not killing them.
Does every thread have to involve Islam?
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Old 23.01.2015, 14:35
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Dear Gang Member,

you are cordially invited to a meeting at St. Christopher's Church Hall at 2pm on Friday 30th January to discuss a new change to the law on gang affiliation. Light refreshments will be served.

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From what I read, there no "change to the law", instead the program is intended to (i) inform existing gang members of the extent of conspiracy charges in advance, and (ii) fast-track such conspiracy charges afterwards.

In other words, its essentially a Public Service Announcement with accelerated dispensation of justice.
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Perhaps with some cake and coffee at St. Christopher's Church Hall.

What a disappointing Police State.
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Old 23.01.2015, 14:51
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It is Friday.
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Yes, you are guilty if you know about the crime, and do not report it, either before or after the act. The prosecution only have to prove you were present when it was discussed. In the past, people were hanged in the UK for conspiracy to murder..
There was an interesting case recently:
2 gang members from different gangs meet in a busy high street in the UK.
They had arranged to bring guns to shoot at each other.
1st one shoots and misses
2nd one shoots and kills a passer-by.
Both were arrested.
2nd guy convicted of murder.
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What was the 1st one guilty of?
Apart from the obvious stupidity:-))
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Old 23.01.2015, 14:56
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There was an interesting case recently:
2 gang members from different gangs meet in a busy high street in the UK.
They had arranged to bring guns to shoot at each other.
1st one shoots and misses
2nd one shoots and kills a passer-by.
Both were arrested.
2nd guy convicted of murder.
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What was the 1st one guilty of?
Apart from the obvious stupidity:-))
Illegal posession of firearm?
Irresponsible use of firearm?
Attempted murder?
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No, just Jews.
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. However this law is far more dangerous, now you are guilty by association.
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You seem to be missing the point here - all that Boris can do is to get the police to focus their attention in particular ways, so they'll be targeting known gang members more. But nettle they nor the mayor have any powers to find them guilty or change the law in any way, so they'll still need to be charged with a real crime,that they have committed thematically, and brought to justice through the normal channels.
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There was an interesting case recently:
2 gang members from different gangs meet in a busy high street in the UK.
They had arranged to bring guns to shoot at each other.
1st one shoots and misses
2nd one shoots and kills a passer-by.
Both were arrested.
2nd guy convicted of murder.
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What was the 1st one guilty of?
Apart from the obvious stupidity:-))
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Illegal posession of firearm?
Irresponsible use of firearm?
Attempted murder?
Murder, I hope. A well-established principle in crimes involving murder is that more than one person, i.e. not only the one whose shot actually killed the victim, can be considered culpable.
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Old 24.01.2015, 09:20
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Murder, I hope. A well-established principle in crimes involving murder is that more than one person, i.e. not only the one whose shot actually killed the victim, can be considered culpable.
This case actually went to the supreme court in the UK less than 2 years ago.
1st guy was also found guilty of murder.
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Old 24.01.2015, 12:21
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Yet another step towards a Police State, and the worse thing is that most people will probably cheer this 'common sense' measure



Punishment for all gang members if one carries out a violent crime



A hardline US-style crackdown, under which every gang member will face punishment if one of their ranks commits a violent offence, was announced today by Boris Johnson in a bid to improve public safety.

Under the “Shield” scheme, known members will be told that each will suffer a civil or criminal sanction if any of their gang carries out an assault, stabbing or other serious crime.
The penalties will range from recall to prison, gang injunctions banning them from parts of the capital or mixing with their associates, mandatory employment training courses or ejection from social housing.
The offender who triggers action will be fast-tracked through the criminal justice system for swift sentencing.
Announcing the scheme, the Mayor said: “It is time we gave these gang members a clear ultimatum — the police know who you are and if anyone in the gang steps out of line then every member will face consequences.
“There is absolutely no place for violence in our city. Through Shield, we are redoubling our efforts to stamp out gang crime once and for all.”
Stephen Greenhalgh, the deputy mayor for policing and crime, said: “The police have made huge progress in tackling gangs and youth crime is down, but a minority continue to cause significant harm. Evidence shows that this ‘one rule for all’ approach cuts violence.”
The tough purge on gang members is modelled on “Group Violence Intervention” methods used in several US cities, including Boston, Chicago and Los Angeles, and will be piloted in three boroughs: Lambeth, Westminster and Haringey, each of which is affected by significant gang violence.
Any gang member who wants to reform will be offered assistance to help them escape their lifestyle, including the provision of “safe houses”.
Commander Neil Basu, the head of the Met’s Gangs and Organised Crime Command, said: “We will do everything we can within the criminal and civil law to bring all members of any targeted gang to justice. Gang members in London will know that if they commit crime there are consequences. But we will also provide a meaningful alternative for those who want to turn their lives around and exit a gang.”
Gangs are responsible for 40 per cent of shootings and 17 per cent of violent crime in London and Scotland Yard data also shows that there are 186 recognised gangs with 3,600 members.
Under the £200,000 scheme, which will be piloted for 12 months and expanded if successful, police and community leaders will “call in” members to warn them of the new approach.

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Sippenhaft may be acceptable under the often a bit MEDIEVAL Imperial Law, but not under NAPOLEONIC law of modern countries
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Old 24.01.2015, 22:47
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Sippenhaft may be acceptable under the often a bit MEDIEVAL Imperial Law, but not under NAPOLEONIC law of modern countries
Wasn't that the fellow we gave a good thrashing at Waterloo (while awaiting the 1826 to Basingstoke) before issuing him a cheap day single to Saint Helena? What business has he making our laws?
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Wasn't that the fellow we gave a good thrashing at Waterloo (while awaiting the 1826 to Basingstoke) before issuing him a cheap day single to Saint Helena? What business has he making our laws?

Sure you did, but failed to change the clocks back he had put forward. Teddy Heath finally adjusted and modernized the currency into the Napoleonic concept, a late victory to LeGrandEmpereur. Teddy Heath also started the Decimalisation of the UK and the entry into the Club Napoleon also known as EU
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Sure you did, but failed to change the clocks back he had put forward.
No, that was Franco, who took Spain from GMT into Berlin time as a token for his admiration of Hitler, and none of its successors have dared turn back that particular clock despite the time zone being totally unnatural for the location.

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Teddy Heath finally adjusted and modernized the currency into the Napoleonic concept, a late victory to LeGrandEmpereur. Teddy Heath also started the Decimalisation of the UK and the entry into the Club Napoleon also known as EU
Teddy Heath did not take anybody into the EU as the EU hadn't been invented yet. We were a nation of shopkeepers and we were told it was a trade club (of which we approved). That's how we've been trying to keep it ever since. We never wanted a Euro emperor, Corsican, Austrian or Belgian, as our own German monarchy is quite enough.
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Wasn't that the fellow we gave a good thrashing at Waterloo (while awaiting the 1826 to Basingstoke) before issuing him a cheap day single to Saint Helena? What business has he making our laws?
We?

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Hang on - aren't you an American living in Switzerland?
Yup. I am also in Berkshire County often. My firm has an office there, and we pay a lot of UK taxes. Surely we can have an opinion about it.
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