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Re: Benedict Cumberbatch race terminology discussion

Poor choice of words unfortunately. The ongoing issue with such comments is not what's intended but how the object feels when they hear the word. Anyone who's taken a new age course on PC sensitivity for the American workplace will know many examples that one would shake their head to.

Personally the term 'black' has always irritated me, and I'm a bit surprised it is still being used so frequently.

I'm personally more a fan of the hexadecimal system for colouring where letters and non-alpha-numeric characters are less persecuted.
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In order to be precise and to avoid confrontation do I only use the exact Pantone codes these days.
That's incredibly discriminatory against people who are partially color blind and can't tell the difference between those shades, and I think you should be journalistically flogged for saying it.
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Poor choice of words unfortunately. The ongoing issue with such comments is not what's intended but how the object feels when they hear the word. Anyone who's taken a new age course on PC sensitivity for the American workplace will know many examples that one would shake their head to.

Personally the term 'black' has always irritated me, and I'm a bit surprised it is still being used so frequently.

I'm personally more a fan of the hexadecimal system for colouring where letters and non-alpha-numeric characters are less persecuted.
But what if you wish to refer to more than one skintone? Like I said earlier, there are many British actors of Indian descent working in the US too. Not that I'm trying to put words in BC's mouth, but I think what he was trying to highlight (actor drain) is more important than the snaffoo of using a term that the body that advacates for IC3's has in it's own title. (And that brings up WHICH code system we use)
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Old 28.01.2015, 11:31
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That's incredibly discriminatory against people who are partially color blind and can't tell the difference between those shades, and I think you should be journalistically flogged for saying it.
I think this is highly debatable as the codes can even be written in Braille so that at last blind people can finally discriminate based on skin color as well.
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Personally the term 'black' has always irritated me, and I'm a bit surprised it is still being used so frequently.
That's the problem, isn't it? One term may be acceptable to some but not to others and can cause great offence. I just don't get it why people are so strung up about the terms used to describe other people.

I refer to people of African descent "Black". To me, it is just a word. It does not convey any prejudice or any bad sentiments, it is just an adjective. Most of the time I don't need to use the word to refer to the person, but at times when I need to specify who I am referring to, then I am happy to use it. Nothing more, nothing less. Just like I don't get upset when people refer to me as the brown lady or the lady with caramel skin, when they need to point me out in a crowd!
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Only when they have war paint on...
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Old 28.01.2015, 11:52
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I refer to people of African descent "Black". To me, it is just a word. It does not convey any prejudice or any bad sentiments, it is just an adjective. Most of the time I don't need to use the word to refer to the person, but at times when I need to specify who I am referring to, then I am happy to use it. Nothing more, nothing less. Just like I don't get upset when people refer to me as the brown lady or the lady with caramel skin, when they need to point me out in a crowd!
That is inherently the problem---if you are only considering yourself, of course you won't say anything of offense.

There are many people who use the N-bomb not conveying prejudice or bad sentiments. A great majority of hip-hop songs, many people socially and a ton of people with English as a second language who don't realize the historical significance of the word. That doesn't mean that it isn't offensive to many and can be used.
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Re: Benedict Cumberbatch race terminology discussion

Who would you prefer as a neighbour, the black doctor's family or a family of white trash? This whole coloured thing is ridiculous.
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Yet another problem area. We can't call Native Americans (not to be confused with American natives!!!) Indians any more, but the Native Americans in our area keep calling themselves Indians.
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Here is one of many links I could have posted http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/30994775

First of all, yes it was derpy and and apology was the right thing to do.

But I couldn't help wondering if he was actually trying to keep up with what seems to be preferred terminology in the US and made a mess of it.

I've always known that only embarassing old people would use "coloured", it used to be the preferred term a long time ago but it has been deemed inappropriate/offensive at least since I was born in the 80s. So, I remember being shocked the first time I heard an American TV presenter say "of color" as I thought it was basically the same thing. I assumed the presenter was ignorant and wondered why none of the audience seemed to look offended, but I heard it again and again after that, only on American TV though. Never heard it in England. I deduced that in the US it's not appropriate any more to use "black".

Given the context of what he was talking about I'm inclined to think he meant to say "of color".

American EF-ers, is it offensive/inappropriate in the US to say "black"?

Also what is the the preferred term used here??
There's always someone that will be offended, no matter what term is used. Colored, black, African-American, etc. This discussion reminds me of a situation, either at an Olympics or a World-Championship, where a reporter was interviewing a black athlete, and kept referring to the athlete as an African-American, to which the athlete kept replying that he wasn't American. Yet, the reporter persisted.

Treat people with respect and politeness. That solves 90% of the difficulties. 5% are probably not your fault, and the other 5%, just be prepared to apologize.
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Yet another problem area. We can't call Native Americans (not to be confused with American natives!!!) Indians any more, but the Native Americans in our area keep calling themselves Indians.

In Canada "Native Americans" cannot be used to refer to Indigenous peoples, 'Aboriginal People in Canada' is the term that is properly used.
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There are many people who use the N-bomb not conveying prejudice or bad sentiments. A great majority of hip-hop songs, many people socially and a ton of people with English as a second language who don't realize the historical significance of the word. That doesn't mean that it isn't offensive to many and can be used.
If the n-word is so loaded with historical significance then no one should use it! Not Jay-Z, not Obama, not anyone. I don't buy this whole "we use the word, so it can empower us". I accept that is how it started, but so many decades later, it is time to move on. Either everyone uses the word or no one does. In my book, it is that simple.
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If the n-word is so loaded with historical significance then no one should use it! Not Jay-Z, not Obama, not anyone. I don't buy this whole "we use the word, so it can empower us". I accept that is how it started, but so many decades later, it is time to move on. Either everyone uses the word or no one does. In my book, it is that simple.
Well, in my country we try to solve bad social imbalance by creating another bad social imbalance in the opposite direction and hoping it all washes out...

Never mind our moms told us that two wrongs don't make a right.
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Yet another problem area. We can't call Native Americans (not to be confused with American natives!!!) Indians any more, but the Native Americans in our area keep calling themselves Indians.
Next thing you tell me is that "redskins" isn't ok either anymore...
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If the n-word is so loaded with historical significance then no one should use it! Not Jay-Z, not Obama, not anyone. I don't buy this whole "we use the word, so it can empower us". I accept that is how it started, but so many decades later, it is time to move on. Either everyone uses the word or no one does.In my book, it is that simple.

Precisely! but again, we're a world with a few billion people. If one could produce a simple book with logical rules that all adhere to, and they did happily without problem---the world would be a drastically better place.

But the fact remains that people are different, personalities and cultures are different, each person's historical prejudices and beliefs are different, and believing that a simple set of rules can be applied to all without issue is a bit naive.
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Re: Benedict Cumberbatch race terminology discussion

Personally I find the term "white" offensive. Only ghosts are depicted as white.

"White" people in South Africa are called by the indigenous folk there "mLungas" - which means a "white slug without a shell" - from the time these strangely "white" humans emerged from their "shells" which were sailing ships.

The name has persisted, without most "white" people being aware of its meaning so no offence is ever taken. It`s just a term referring to people of non-black ancestry.
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I would much prefer the terms dark skinned or light skinned etc. At least then it is clear that we are only talking about skin colour and don't throw random parts of the population in the "black" or "white" pots.
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