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Well I think it's a shame more world history isn't taught in US schools. I mean, they all come from somewhere right? They might even learn a bit of geography too....
have you been to school in the u.s? the system in the u.s is state-based and likewise it would be impossible to assume how much of what is taught throughout the system in any one area. not to mention the fact that though europeans may be eurocentric, there is a lot more of the world and i wonder if the contrary could be said as when i say my family came from costa rica, most people get confused with puerto rico, costa brava and lord knows what else.

it seems there are a few people here who like to criticize americans for one thing or another but if that's your aim, like anything you'll certainly find a reason and americans aren't behaving like australians because (!!!) they aren't australians and the culture, if you have ever been there, is also not like australia at all.
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have you been to school in the u.s? the system in the u.s is state-based and likewise it would be impossible to assume how much of what is taught throughout the system in any one area. not to mention the fact that though europeans may be eurocentric, there is a lot more of the world and i wonder if the contrary could be said as when i say my family came from costa rica, most people get confused with puerto rico, costa brava and lord knows what else.

it seems there are a few people here who like to criticize americans for one thing or another but if that's your aim, like anything you'll certainly find a reason and americans aren't behaving like australians because (!!!) they aren't australians and the culture, if you have ever been there, is also not like australia at all.
chillax dude. I was taught history from mostly europe, that's true, but also china, korea, the US, as well as geography talking about urban developmment in different areas of the globe.
I have visited the US many times, not been to Aus though.
Al iii was poooiinntiing ooout was tthatt the stattement that Americans subbclassify themselves by their ancestors because they are a yooung coouuntry does not hold water because Austraoia is an even younger coountry and doesn't do it.
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Old 29.01.2015, 10:27
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So is Jax Teller from Sons of Anarchy! Occasionally I can hear them slip up, I *think*!! House once said "Ant-EE-biotics", don't Americans say "Ant-EYE-biotics"?? I thought I'd heard Jax's accent slip once too. I've never noticed Rick Grimes do it though!
Um....i say ant-ee-biotics, and i'm definitely not a brit. US accents are varied.

When i moved from pennsylvania to north carolina in the mid 90s i was registering for some official thing over the phone and spelled my last name. The woman on the other end of the line said "what kind of a name is that? I never heard a name like that before".

I said "it's my name." I thought her comment very rude.

So it happens within the US too. There are areas with a lot of assimilation and then there are areas where everyone's related and everywhere in between.

Of course, since I've moved here, i have no trouble spelling my name. My first name is a different story.
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First Nations is also used sometimes.
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First Nations don't include the Inuit or the Metis.

Although some argue the Metis are not as authentic as the rest, I think their concept fits very well into this discussion.

Luckily all Metis essentially get full aboriginal rights in Canada--a bright point against Canada's serious racism problem.

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Because they are making shit-loads of money?

Anyway, the accents, in some cases can't be too bad. I've heard it said that most US folks didn't know Laurie (in House) was in fact, not American...
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I honestly didn't know----if I didn't hear him in an interview years later, I still would assume he is American. But he is a well paid actor, voice training to master the authentic English accent is something he does very well.
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Old 29.01.2015, 10:42
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chillax dude. I was taught history from mostly europe, that's true, but also china, korea, the US, as well as geography talking about urban developmment in different areas of the globe.
I have visited the US many times, not been to Aus though.
Al iii was poooiinntiing ooout was tthatt the stattement that Americans subbclassify themselves by their ancestors because they are a yooung coouuntry does not hold water because Austraoia is an even younger coountry and doesn't do it.
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Im not a dude and chillax is a really annoying thing to read in the morning

i dont think nor did i say its because its a young country. I think theres plenty of places in the us where people are just americans...or texans or whatever. The point i think is the country is huge- both in population and size. People dont feel really too similar from one coast to the other nor south to north. So to say you are the same as someone who you dont really relate to is tough. So you relate to those like you. New yorkers. New englanders. Italian americans. Latinos. Etc
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Old 29.01.2015, 11:18
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Re: Benedict Cumberbatch race terminology discussion

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I can't answer for the rest of the US, but in the south east, aka The Bible Belt, aka Dixie, the term "black" is still very much in use. The people in the south are still very much resistant to all things Yankee, including political correctness. (Politicians are the only ones who are expected to "mind their tongue"). In the south you got your blacks, your whites, your Mexicans, which refers to all Latinos, your Asians and your Ay-rabs. People think Switzerland is racist? They should check out Alabama.

Also, I descend from Native Americans and we don't use that term, nor do we use Indian. We use the specific name of our tribe. I say, for example, that my Nana is Cherokee and my granddad is Wyandot. And here is a picture of my wonderful grandparents just because y'all have got me thinking about them!

And here for me is the crux of the issue. Your stated ancestry may lead some to believe your comments are valid and that you speak for all Native Americans, yet I have heard many other Native Americans say that "tribe" is very derogatory and one should rather ask, "which Nation are you from?"

So even within a minority community, there is no consensus regarding proper terminology or how to be addressed. Yet any one individual can claim allegiance to a minority and become the de facto spokesperson while claiming foul on behalf of the entire minority.



and now for a rant:

As for your first para; Stereotype much? I recommend you go back up North and learn some manners and get more PC training (since it apparently only exists in that region), because I was not aware that all of the South was racist. Or do you only speak for the state of Alabama?
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Old 29.01.2015, 11:29
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I honestly didn't know----if I didn't hear him in an interview years later, I still would assume he is American.
You've never seen Blackadder?

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... So even within a minority community, there is no consensus regarding proper terminology or how to be addressed. ...
What (s)he said!

IMO, too much time and money is wasted on trying to get the right terminology in order to be PC. Issues such as poverty, illiteracy (in certain circles), violence against women are far more important and need more resources. What you call me is irrelevant if I am hungry, illiterate and face abuse on a daily basis!
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You've never seen Blackadder?

Tom

Watched it a bit when I was younger (and when it was relevant ), never made a connection of any of the actors other than Bean. Maybe I'll have to dig out the VHS when I'm back at my parents house (assuming the player still works).

I was more of a Monty Python Fan.
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That's a pretty complicated solution, IMHO. You mean, you can't comment until you've had an opportunity to determine the desired terms of the discussion (I'm assuming you don't limit this principle solely to terms regarding race)? I think that's incredibly cumbersome.





Most of the time it isn't terribly hard, but, of course, there are a few who go out of their way to make it difficult for others. I mean, I could ask people to call me an Anglo-Welsh-Scots-Irish-Dutch-German-Native-American, but that's pure numbskullery, IMO. I would prefer to examine the message in totality and make my judgement then.



But white is the presence of all colors, right? I think the phrase "people of color," is used to be inclusive of all races, and not exclusive of "white" people.
god youre pretentious arent you mate.
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You've never seen Blackadder?

Tom
That's offensive.
Colouredadder too
Africanadder? not specific enough.

I give up and go to eat a neggerkuss, I mean a mohrenkopf, uh, I mean a schokokuss

[edit] Just found out that the english-language wikipedia page for these delicious sweets is named "Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats". I'm investigating to see if I find this offensive or politically-correct enough

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god youre pretentious arent you mate.
And you're arrogant, so we're pretty much even. Don't get a sprain from patting your own back.
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I give up and go to eat a neggerkuss, I mean a mohrenkopf, uh, I mean a schokokuss
I think it's Schaumkuss now. Though what the Scaums did to deserve that, I'm not sure.

Bloody Schaums, coming over here. Filling our chocolate.
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That's offensive.
Colouredadder too
Africanadder? not specific enough.

I give up and go to eat a neggerkuss, I mean a mohrenkopf, uh, I mean a schokokuss

[edit] Just found out that the english-language wikipedia page for these delicious sweets is named "Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats". I'm investigating to see if I find this offensive or politically-correct enough
I just call them walnut-less whips... But maybe that is offensive to nuts...
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People are being such spastics about this
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Was the use of the word a bigger faux pas than this:



A commoner breaking Royal Protocol by making physical contact. (Albeit, it IS King James :P )
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Was the use of the word a bigger faux pas than this:



A commoner breaking Royal Protocol by making physical contact. (Albeit, it IS King James :P )
No faux pas there - he is touching another "commoner", not Wills
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