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As for your first para; Stereotype much? I recommend you go back up North and learn some manners and get more PC training (since it apparently only exists in that region), because I was not aware that all of the South was racist. Or do you only speak for the state of Alabama?

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Re: Benedict Cumberbatch race terminology discussion

I've only read parts of this thread but bottomline.. As a so-called "person of colour", if you call me "coloured" I will knock your teeth out... End of discussion.

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Old 29.01.2015, 21:00
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I've only read parts of this thread but bottomline.. As a so-called "person of colour", if you call me "coloured" I will knock your teeth out... End of discussion.
Even if the person who calls you coloured is sticking his neck out to criticise the lack of opportunities for people of colour in his particular industry?

The end result is that people will just shut up about the subject, avoid the topic completely. "Oh, my mates don't get a fair crack at the whip, but I won't say anything about it in public because I might use the wrong word to talk about the problem."

If that's a win, I'd love to know what failure looks like.
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I've only read parts of this thread but bottomline.. As a so-called "person of colour", if you call me "coloured" I will knock your teeth out... End of discussion.
So what's the word, if any?
Do you honestly believe people will come to you and say "Hei yo, yo coloured"..
It's when you're not around and someone has to describe you "Nadia the cute tanned lady or whatever"...how would you like to be called as to avoid any confusion with Nadia the slutty blonde?
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So what's the word, if any?
Do you honestly believe people will come to you and say "Hei yo, yo coloured"..
It's when you're not around and someone has to describe you "Nadia the cute tanned lady or whatever"...how would you like to be called as to avoid any confusion with Nadia the slutty blonde?
Nadia will do quite nicely...
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Even if the person who calls you coloured is sticking his neck out to criticise the lack of opportunities for people of colour in his particular industry?

The end result is that people will just shut up about the subject, avoid the topic completely. "Oh, my mates don't get a fair crack at the whip, but I won't say anything about it in public because I might use the wrong word to talk about the problem."

If that's a win, I'd love to know what failure looks like.
Whilst Benedict Cumberbatch's intentions were noble as well his apology, he really should know better. Its just not acceptable not to know better...
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I've only read parts of this thread but bottomline.. As a so-called "person of colour", if you call me "coloured" I will knock your teeth out... End of discussion.
Are you not keen on "person of colour" either? (I'm guessing because of the parentheses and prefix, sorry if I'm wrong!) Which term would you prefer to use/be used?
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Are you not keen on "person of colour" either? (I'm guessing because of the parentheses and prefix, sorry if I'm wrong!) Which term would you prefer to use/be used?
I asked the same thing and she said Nadia is OK.
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Old 30.01.2015, 01:04
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Are you not keen on "person of colour" either? (I'm guessing because of the parentheses and prefix, sorry if I'm wrong!) Which term would you prefer to use/be used?
Actually, if one is to get technical, I am mixed race and that is the term that is most accurate to describe me. However, since living in Europe people refer to me as black, because they dont seem to recognise mixed race or cant be bothered to. black is just fine as well, but definitely not coloured...To me using outdated terms like that implies ignorance and a lack of respect..Im aware the term is used in South Africa, but it has a different meaning there..
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...To me using outdated terms like that implies ignorance and a lack of respect...
Except in this case, Cumberbatch was using the term to raise an issue which affected, not him, but his friends and colleagues. To say that he does not have respect for the very people he was trying to promote, is not right.

The problem is soon no one really will remember the issue he was trying to raise - too many people being hung up on the fact he used the word "coloured". A sad world
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Actually, if one is to get technical, I am mixed race and that is the term that is most accurate to describe me. However, since living in Europe people refer to me as black, because they dont seem to recognise mixed race or cant be bothered to. black is just fine as well, but definitely not coloured...To me using outdated terms like that implies ignorance and a lack of respect..Im aware the term is used in South Africa, but it has a different meaning there..
Vso you would've prefered that BC said there are not enough opotunities to British actors of african, mixed-raced, asian, oriental, Nadia, etc etc etc etc etc decent in the UK or that he hadn't raised the issue?

Concentrating on one word as racist is a really good way to deflect attention from the main issue of race bias in the UK film industry.
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Vso you would've prefered that BC said there are not enough opotunities to British actors of african, mixed-raced, asian, oriental, Nadia, etc etc etc etc etc decent in the UK or that he hadn't raised the issue?

Concentrating on one word as racist is a really good way to deflect attention from the main issue of race bias in the UK film industry.
Im going to stick my neck out here and make the gross assumption that you, alongside the others that have made similar comments are white? Forgive me if I am horribly wrong. If you were black, you would understand that despite BC's best intentions, and his desire to represent his black acting friends, surely then he should know that calling them coloured is offensive? His intention therefore falls completely flat.

And why is he supposedly 'sticking his neck out'? Nobody asked for him to be spokesman of black actors. They can speak about their lack of opportunities just fine by themselves. I rest my case..

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Im going to stick my neck out here and make the gross assumption that you, alongside the others that have made similar comments are white? Forgive me if I am horribly wrong. If you were black, you would understand that despite BC's best intentions, and his desire to represent his black acting friends, surely then he should know that calling them coloured is offensive? His intention therefore falls completely flat.
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I think this is a good summary. It isn't then intention, it's about respect for how others will perceive the comment. Although in this day and age it is hard to find words that won't offend everyone. (Personally, I don't use the word black to refer to someone because I think it's heinously offensive in concept).

On the other hand, a civilized person should be able able to understand what is implied and realize when a term is perhaps without knowledge of what could be implied. Those who resort to violence because of one's non-PC comment from unawareness deserve no respect or sympathy--they're just pathetic simple creatures.
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he should know that calling them coloured is offensive?
Why should he know that? Why is it offensive? Who decided one day that "coloured" is offensive and now we should go back to saying "black" (even when we don't mean black)? Who will send the memo when "black" is offensive again?

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Nobody asked for him to be spokesman of black actors.
He was in a discussion in which the host (a person who had a darker complexion than Benedict Cumberbatch) brought up the context of race : "It ain't even just white Brits, it's black Brits who are taking jobs now. You look at the Selma script, you look at Twelve Years a Slave ... You guys are coming over here just taking over, man".

But of course the perpetually offended don't need to look at context before shrieking "Racist!". I wonder how many people have actually watched the whole interview?


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I wonder how many people have actually watched the whole interview?
What interview?
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I'm afraid some of us have sprained our funny bones. this should help.

P.S. those who don't appreciate sarcasm should simply move on to the next post.

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Im going to stick my neck out here and make the gross assumption that you, alongside the others that have made similar comments are white? Forgive me if I am horribly wrong. If you were black, you would understand that despite BC's best intentions, and his desire to represent his black acting friends, surely then he should know that calling them coloured is offensive? His intention therefore falls completely flat.

And why is he supposedly 'sticking his neck out'? Nobody asked for him to be spokesman of black actors. They can speak about their lack of opportunities just fine by themselves. I rest my case..
How DARE you say white when I find that term offensive.. ok you don't know me or anything about me and no-one has ever told you that term is offensive to some melanin-deficient individuals, but still I am going to fixate on the fact that you used white as a descriptor and ignore everything else you say, no matter how important it is or relevant to bigger issues such as race equality and just attack you as an anti-melanin-deficient individual, and no matter what you say to apologise you will never understand the offense caused to me and my fellow melanin-deficients.

Or, I could look at the bigger picture and say, well, no-one asked him to be a spokesman for black (and other non-white) actors but when asked in an interview why so many British actors are working the the US I think he was right to bring up the specific problems that Actors of Colour (or whatever term I should use) have in the UK rather than just say... I'm alright Jack, I've got a job wherever because my skin-tone is more employable. Plus the interviewer (a PoC) didn't seem phased by it.
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(a PoC)
What's a PoC?
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What's a PoC?
It's this week's new phrase for Blacks : Person of Colour.
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It's this week's new phrase for Blacks : Person of Colour.
Is it still ok to mention gender or is that sexist?
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