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....... despite BC's best intentions, and his desire to represent his black acting friends, surely then he should know that calling them coloured is offensive? His intention therefore falls completely flat.

And why is he supposedly 'sticking his neck out'? Nobody asked for him to be spokesman of black actors. They can speak about their lack of opportunities just fine by themselves. I rest my case..
Well, at least one of his black acting friends (David Oyelowo) disagrees with you.
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015...and-ridiculous
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Old 30.01.2015, 12:13
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one of his black acting friends (David Oyelowo)
No, I think he really is black.
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Old 30.01.2015, 12:23
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Is it still ok to mention gender or is that sexist?
Nope. That's extremely offensive.

Instead you should say "PoG" : Person of gender.

Some feminists prefer to be known as "WoGs": women of gender*

*unfortunately this has caused a backlash from the PofC community.
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Nope. That's extremely offensive.

Instead you should say "PoG" : Person of gender.

Some feminists prefer to be known as "WoGs": women of gender*

*unfortunately this has caused a backlash from the PofC community.
I'm offended by the religions connections of 'Person'. Please rephrase.
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I wonder how many people have actually watched the whole interview?


Je suis Benedict.
link to actual interview. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/...t-cumberbatch/
The segment about the problem in British acting starts at around 22minutes, please watch the whole segment, and what he actually says about the problems, not just the one word.
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Old 30.01.2015, 12:45
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Re: Benedict Cumberbatch race terminology discussion

Funnily enough, two of the actors to which Benedict was referring have been nominated for awards next week by, well, I can't say.

http://www.naacp.org/press/entry/the...nees-announced

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Actually, if one is to get technical, I am mixed race and that is the term that is most accurate to describe me. However, since living in Europe people refer to me as black, because they dont seem to recognise mixed race or cant be bothered to. black is just fine as well, but definitely not coloured...To me using outdated terms like that implies ignorance and a lack of respect..Im aware the term is used in South Africa, but it has a different meaning there..
I do. I would have probably described you as "creole" a few years ago (probably that is offensive too in other countries), out of ignorance and not lack of respect.
Thanks for taking the time, at least now I know.
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Old 30.01.2015, 13:19
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I do. I would have probably described you as "creole" a few years ago (probably that is offensive too in other countries), out of ignorance and not lack of respect.
Thanks for taking the time, at least now I know.
Careful though. "Mixed Race" is also deemed offensive in some circles as "it implies that a pure race exists". I think mixed or dual heritage is preferred.

Or better still, avoid it all together. If we pretend differences don't exist, there will be no discrimination in the world.
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Old 30.01.2015, 13:34
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Funnily enough, two of the actors to which Benedict was referring have been nominated for awards next week by, well, I can't say.

http://www.naacp.org/press/entry/the...nees-announced

NAA*P
I have occasionally wondered about that. If the word is soooooo offensive, then why is it still part of the organization's name?
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Re: Benedict Cumberbatch race terminology discussion

Good point.


Perhaps: NAAf(x)P


and whomever solves f(x) gets a Nobel prize.
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Im going to stick my neck out here and make the gross assumption that you, alongside the others that have made similar comments are white? Forgive me if I am horribly wrong. If you were black, you would understand that despite BC's best intentions, and his desire to represent his black acting friends, surely then he should know that calling them coloured is offensive? His intention therefore falls completely flat.
Why should it be that people who are white are not "allowed" to understand? It is not merely non-white people who suffer from racism, discrimination, etc. I hate to break it to you but white people also understand discrimination and racism. Things like positive discrimination has made life more difficult for some white people to get jobs.

This whole thing about only black (or asian or whatever) people can speak up for black people is utterly nonsensical. Had it been like that, then slavery would never have been abolished!

Oh btw I am not white.
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Why should it be that people who are white are not "allowed" to understand? It is not merely non-white people who suffer from racism, discrimination, etc. I hate to break it to you but white people also understand discrimination and racism. Things like positive discrimination has made life more difficult for some white people to get jobs.

This whole thing about only black (or asian or whatever) people can speak up for black people is utterly nonsensical. Had it been like that, then slavery would never have been abolished!

Oh btw I am not white.
Well, speaking as a whitey I don't agree with you on the positive discrimination thing. Don't get me wrong, I think all discrimination is wrong be it affirmative action or not, but overall I think the overall effect has been good.

But I agree with you on the second point. I'm privileged to be a white straight healthy western european. But the thing is, that even whities have, empathy. We can look at the way people are treated because of some arbitary rule and say that is wrong and it shouldn't happen and we can move to change the world. I know some like to say that it's not the intent that matters but the offense, but I think that is rubbish. It's the intent that matters. Raising issues like racial prejudice and trying to change hiring practices is going to do more to secure racial equality and hopefully racial blindness than constantly trying to 'them and us'.

(and I still don't know if I should be offended by the 'if I'm horribly wrong' comment of Nadia77, like being called white is an insult....)
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Well, speaking as a whitey I don't agree with you on the positive discrimination thing. Don't get me wrong, I think all discrimination is wrong be it affirmative action or not, but overall I think the overall effect has been good.
TBH, I don't know where I stand on positive discrimination. I agree that overall it had a positive effect on people who otherwise would not be given a good job. But ask people in SA about the Black Economic Empowerment program and you get to see the other side of positive discrimination. I still, perhaps naively, hope that the ladder I climbed in my old job was because of my intelligence and ability to work on tough shit, and not because I was a woman and not white
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Re: Benedict Cumberbatch race terminology discussion

Anyway. A little reading matter before you're allowed to post again.

http://www.covwarkpt.nhs.uk/aboutus/...20Language.pdf

It's by the NHS, so it must be balanced and accurate.
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Anyway. A little reading matter before you're allowed to post again.

http://www.covwarkpt.nhs.uk/aboutus/...20Language.pdf

It's by the NHS, so it must be balanced and accurate.
The NHS, it's the envy of the world you know?
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Anyway. A little reading matter before you're allowed to post again.

http://www.covwarkpt.nhs.uk/aboutus/...20Language.pdf

It's by the NHS, so it must be balanced and accurate.

I enjoyed reading this document :P

It reminds me of a youtube video teaching east-Asians about American culture.
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Anyway. A little reading matter before you're allowed to post again.

http://www.covwarkpt.nhs.uk/aboutus/...20Language.pdf

It's by the NHS, so it must be balanced and accurate.
Including such gems as:

Some prefer ‘ethnic minorities’ although others suggests that this implies that the majority are not ethnic as well and hence recommend the use of the term‘minorities’. An alternative suggestion is that of ‘minority ethnics’ which avoids this problem.
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Re: Benedict Cumberbatch race terminology discussion

My favorite:

"As such, it must be recognised that these and other terms will re-emerge, be revised or disappear at a faster rate than the guidelines may be published."

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you are all screwed, but I, Rano Bains, Head of Equality and Diversity, will have a job forever!
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Re: Benedict Cumberbatch race terminology discussion

How on earth does the NHS have a requirement for one of these? It's like Commissars in the former USSR. Moreover, how do Swiss hospitals manage without them?
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Re: Benedict Cumberbatch race terminology discussion

As an American, we never use 'colored', because during segregation and race riots, restaurants, toilets, drinking fountains were labels colored. So it is a slur. Mostly we say African-American now. Don't know what they do in the UK….
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