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Old 30.01.2015, 11:28
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Re: Michelle Obama unveiled in Saudi Arabia

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Of course not 'obey' - just 'respect'.
"respect" what exactly? Medieval attitudes to women?
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Old 30.01.2015, 11:31
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Just for the record, the last time a Saudi King died was in 2005 when George W. Bush was in office. I'm assuming George W. Bush flew to Riyadh just like Barack Obama. Did Laura Bush accompany her husband, and if so, what was the protocol at the time?
Cheney went, the Bushes didn't. The funeral itself was a private, all-Muslim-male ceremony (as was this one.)

Source: three minutes on wikipedia and google = no need to "assume" who flew there
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Re: Michelle Obama unveiled in Saudi Arabia

I think when visiting the funeral of a a$$-hole dictator to "pay respect", whose regime is artificially kept alive by these people, whether you wear a veil or not is a pretty insignificant "statement". But good job media for diverting attention from the real issue.
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Old 30.01.2015, 12:35
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I think when visiting the funeral of a a$$-hole dictator to "pay respect", whose regime is artificially kept alive by these people, whether you wear a veil or not is a pretty insignificant "statement". But good job media for diverting attention from the real issue.
All of them (world leaders) cluttered that place, none lost the chance to pay their respect. 2 weeks ago they were Charlie.
Michelle is making a statement while her husband is....blah. Ridiculous!
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Re: Michelle Obama unveiled in Saudi Arabia

It is clear that no disrespect to her hosts was intended in her choice of attire, and that the simple, and most plausible, explanation is that it was out of a combination of ignorance and arrogance.
If she had wanted to cause offence to her hosts, she would have been able to achieve this objective much successfully by one or more of the following:
1. Reminding them that 15 out of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis
2. Reminding them that Osama bin Laden himself was a Saudi
3. Complaining that the Saudi financing of ISIS is too transparent for western consumption.
4. Complaining that the Saudis did not take enough care to disguise the nature of the joint US/Saudi conspiracy to sabotage the Russian economy through oil price manipulation.
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Old 30.01.2015, 20:39
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Re: Michelle Obama unveiled in Saudi Arabia

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Guide after guide states this is the case in Barcelona, so I am surprised. It certainly was the case when we visited- although it was some years back. Why would I make it up? Whether it is enforced or not, anyone who visits a Catholic Church or Cathedral without covering arms/shoulders, low cut top and knees- is disrespectful. And I am not religious at all.



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Remember that showing bare shoulders and knees in churches is a sign of disrespect, and strictly enforced at the entrance to the Barcelona Cathedral. When planning to visit a religious site in Barcelona, carry a pashmina or long scarf to cover your exposed shoulders or legs.
- See more at: http://www.bcnescapes.com/bcn_wear.h....d8qZVHq5.dpuf
Who said you made it up?
What I saw for the last 3.5 years is that tourists aren't dressed like in the books and are still allowed to visit the cathedral of Barcelona.
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Old 30.01.2015, 20:50
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Re: Michelle Obama unveiled in Saudi Arabia

I can also confirm that the security guard outside the cathedral in zadar, croatia, was enforcing the dress code last summer...

I think it may be a misconception that muslims expect non-muslims to cover their hair, but when I travelled in India in 1996, the muslims, hindus and christians all covered their hair in their places of religion...
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Old 30.01.2015, 20:52
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...And agree to, that Michelle was decently dressed, no arms, knees, shoulders to cleavage on show- but a matching scarf she could have pulled on her hair for the more formal moments wouldn't have gone amiss.
I think the media would have jumped on her either way. No scarf = disrespectful (nevermind that the previous first ladies went without scarves). Scarf = Obama is too cozy with the Saudis. Remember when Bush 43 was shown holding hands with and kissing the former king on the cheek? The media need stupid stuff to talk about so they don't have to tackle the real issues (basically what MB said)
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Re: Michelle Obama unveiled in Saudi Arabia

As do many Christians in some parts of the world- and not just nuns. I used to have students from a very strict brethren in the UK who had to wear long skirts and long socks and always a scarf or a bonnet.

We visit a part of Tuscany every year, away from the tourist areas, and many wear a head cover to go to Church, funerals, etc- but admitedly, more the older women- as do older men who wear hats. many Churches do nt have the staff or volunteers to intercept inappropriately dressed visitors, but many have a notice at the door reminding people of what is or isn't accpetable.

Nil, I've already replied that this was striclty enforced when I visited, but that that was about 25 years ago. I have no recent experience of Barcelona Cathedral, I totally admit- but I am surprised.
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Old 30.01.2015, 21:06
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As do many Christians in some parts of the world- and not just nuns. I used to have students from a very strict brethren in the UK who had to wear long skirts and long socks and always a scarf or a bonnet.

We visit a part of Tuscany every year, away from the tourist areas, and many wear a head cover to go to Church, funerals, etc- but admitedly, more the older women- as do older men who wear hats.

Nil, I've already replied that this was striclty enforced when I visited, but that that was about 25 years ago. I have no recent experience of Barcelona Cathedral, I totally admit- but I am surprised.

True, the same in my home country where elderly living in countryside are very religious. What surprised me though was seeing very modern otherwise, very urban and extremely well educated and rather young women wearing scarfs when visiting or attending a mass in the church. (among my relatives)
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Old 31.01.2015, 00:10
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Re: Michelle Obama unveiled in Saudi Arabia

4 pages of nonsense.

Seriously, who gives a shit what she wears? She's not the first and won't be the last not to cover up.

EF is struggling for topics these days.
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4 pages of nonsense.

Seriously, who gives a shit what she wears? She's not the first and won't be the last not to cover up.

EF is struggling for topics these days.
Well, I find the whole topic fascinating, and it perfectly demonstrates the way the mainstream media, including even some social media like EF, can be manipulated and steered away from the uncomfortable main issues, into some side alley of trivia.
Real issue: Why was Obama giving such extravagant support to such an unsavoury regime ?
Diversion issue: Why did his wife not wear a veil ?
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