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Old 04.02.2015, 15:57
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You mean this guy? "Israel is a Tumor That Must Be Wiped Out" Ahmadinejad?

the difference is he didn't carry out any of his big words say what you need to say to win votes / favour just like any other politician
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Old 04.02.2015, 16:04
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Didn't Saddam have chemical weapons, and aren't chemical weapons WMDs? Also, Iran invaded Iraq, no? And they have stated their objective of attacking Israel.

Yeah, it is quite a peaceful region if you ignore all these, and don't even bother looking at it.


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The atrocities of Isis is just a prelude to what will happen once Iran obtains nuclear power .....
Iran going nuclear will mean also mean Sunni states going nuclear.

The nice thing about Saddam is that there was only one ego to soothe. Without Saddam, there is nothing to soothe. By the way, we actually thought we were doing the Iraqis a favor.
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Re: Jordan to execute ISIS prisoners condemned to death, unless ...

... so you trust Iran, a nation that recruits people to murder american diplomats in USA, that controlls Hizbolla who are destroying Lebanon from inside, a nation that was implicated in a major terror attack in Argentina, also connected to terror attacks in Europe, is building ICBM which can reach USA, Iran's shiite partners, the Houtis, who will soon conquer Yemen.


This you trust ?!?
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Old 04.02.2015, 16:10
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... so you trust Iran, a nation that recruits people to murder american diplomats in USA, that controlls Hizbolla who are destroying Lebanon from inside, a nation that was implicated in a major terror attack in Argentina, also connected to terror attacks in Europe, is building ICBM which can reach USA, Iran's shiite partners, the Houtis, who will soon conquer Yemen.


This you trust ?!?
Eh?!
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Old 04.02.2015, 16:11
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Re: Jordan to execute ISIS prisoners condemned to death, unless ...

so you trust america who invade other counties, torture prisoners, imprison without trial, regularly bomb 3rd world countries etc etc

so you trust russia who poison people with radiation in london etc etc

so you trust isreal who assassinate people on foreign soil, oppress a whole country, use banned weapons on children etc etc

so you trust .....

all governments are full are arseholes and do truly evil thing, the trick is seeing past all the BS they are telling you
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Old 04.02.2015, 16:12
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Re: Jordan to execute ISIS prisoners condemned to death, unless ...

Yes, when you see Ahmadinejad at work, you see immediately a contrast with the statesmen of the West of the stature and caliber of John McCain who tirelessly and selflessly promote our interests in the pursuit of peace . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
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Old 04.02.2015, 16:13
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... so you trust Iran, a nation that recruits people to murder american diplomats in USA, that controlls Hizbolla who are destroying Lebanon from inside, a nation that was implicated in a major terror attack in Argentina, also connected to terror attacks in Europe, is building ICBM which can reach USA, Iran's shiite partners, the Houtis, who will soon conquer Yemen.

This you trust ?!?
To be fair, Persians have developed a lot more sophistication in their thought processes, value civilization, and deliberate with a lot more sense than the likes of ISIS. Except I'm not so sure the Iranians in power in today's Iran are of the same mindset as the cultured and civilized Persians we know. Their rhetoric speak of a bent towards death.
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Murder begets murder, I hope the Jordanians don't descend to the same level as these savages.


So in your opinion is Jordan now at the same evel of ISIS ?
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Old 04.02.2015, 19:39
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Persians, Iranians.. my point is that they are not a belligerent people. The last major incursion into a neighbouring country was centuries ago during the Afsharid dynasty, when the Shah invaded Northern India.
About "Persians, Iranians.. my point is that they are not a belligerent people."

mmm, hanging gays from cranes.
Beating up, torturing and killing peaceful demonstrators in prison.
Executing people who post the "wrong things" in Facebook.
Their treatment of Baha’is
Finally let us not forget the Basij militia
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Old 04.02.2015, 20:14
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I don't understand the need to canonise this man, he was a combatant fighting in a war zone and he got killed. His death was gruesome and completely contrary to the rules of war, but then again so is bombing and killing innocent civilians in areas for which you have almost no intelligence.
1) As soon as he was captured he ceased to be a combatant and became a POW

2) Don't compare the pilot to IS. When a pilot drops a bomb, he's targeting his enemy. If a civilian dies, something has gone terribly wrong. When IS sticks someone in a cage and lights him on fire, or throws someone off a building, or severs his head,etc... then things went exactly as planned.

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the difference is he didn't carry out any of his big words say what you need to say to win votes / favour just like any other politician
So "Death to Israel!" wins votes of "non-belligerant people" Would he have carried out his threats to win more votes, if possible?
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Re: Jordan to execute ISIS prisoners condemned to death, unless ...

Should we assume that this fingerpointing will help us understand, let alone improve the situation?
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Old 04.02.2015, 20:51
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Should we assume that this fingerpointing will help us understand, let alone improve the situation?
Which finger, the index finger, or the middle finger?
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Old 04.02.2015, 20:54
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Should we assume that this fingerpointing will help us understand, let alone improve the situation?
There is nothing to understand. People are simply evil.

The war continues, lots of ordinary people are going to die, lots of soldiers and pilots are going to die, somebody is paying for it all, somebody is making quite a lot of profit out of it all, our governments will tinker with our laws "for our own good", we'll all blame the Muslims or the Jews or whoever, I'll have Thai curry for dinner, there'll be a talent show on the telly and it's going to snow.

It's 1912, 1936, 1940, 1946, 1969, 1981, 1993, 1999, 2003...
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Should we assume that this fingerpointing will help us understand, let alone improve the situation?


No, don't think anyone in the world will help us understand nor improve the situation. On the other hand, we are talking about Western journalists
whose heads are being chopped off, children being sold into slavery, grisly crucifixions, human homicide bombs, planes being flown into buildings and so on. So how should we react ?
Condemnation of violence or political correctness ?
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No, don't think anyone in the world will help us understand nor improve the situation. On the other hand, we are talking about Western journalists
whose heads are being chopped off, children being sold into slavery, grisly crucifixions, human homicide bombs, planes being flown into buildings and so on. So how should we react ?
Condemnation of violence or political correctness ?
I'm going to react by filling up the dishwasher and making a cup of tea.

What about you?
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So how should we react ?
Condemnation of violence or political correctness ?
I think we should be asking questions
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Re: Jordan to execute ISIS prisoners condemned to death, unless ...

Sure.
And lets start with YOUR questions.
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No, don't think anyone in the world will help us understand nor improve the situation. On the other hand, we are talking about Western journalists
whose heads are being chopped off, children being sold into slavery, grisly crucifixions, human homicide bombs, planes being flown into buildings and so on. So how should we react ?
Condemnation of violence or political correctness ?
You left out the first and most important question:
Are we in a position to judge? Do our own actions conform to our "official" standards, or does the west often use double standards? If we do use double standards (IMO there should be very loud "yes"), why is anyone surprised we're not trusted?

Just consider the kurds, without IS they would never have received any weapons.
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You left out the first and most important question:
Are we in a position to judge? Do our own actions conform to our "official" standards, or does the west often use double standards? If we do use double standards (IMO there should be very loud "yes"), why is anyone surprised we're not trusted?

Just consider the kurds, without IS they would never have received any weapons.

..... ? ..... something doesn't sound right here ... whose side are you on ?!?
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Old 04.02.2015, 22:27
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You left out the first and most important question:
Are we in a position to judge? Do our own actions conform to our "official" standards, or does the west often use double standards? If we do use double standards (IMO there should be very loud "yes"), why is anyone surprised we're not trusted?
Judge the massacre and enslavement of men, women and children? I think it was Dante who wrote, "“The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.”. I'm not sure everyone may be suffering from the same moral uncertainty here. You can try to cast doubt on it, in the interest of ISIS, if you'd like.

The CIA did it! Buaha.
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