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Old 05.02.2015, 20:14
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Here is a pretty well written and reasoned piece of Conspiracy Theory on the rise of ISIS.
As DB mentioned, always ask the question 'who has the most to gain' and 'who has the most to lose'?


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During his first public appearance as head of ISIS, al Baghdadi ordered Muslims to obey him as the “Leader who presides over you.” He was also spotted wearing an expensive watch that is believed to be either a Rolex, a Sekonda or a Omega Seamaster – all costing a few thousands of dollars. An odd fashion choice for a leader vowing to fight “Western decadence”?
I managed to zoom in further using some high-tech imagery software, and I was amazed when I was able to read the inscription on the side of the watch: "Hey al, you know what time it is? It's time to shave that beard and take a bath you smelly bastard. JK, LOL, All the best, Leon and your pals at the CIA".

PS- The watch is a Chinese made "Rolodex" worth about $40 based on current ebay sales trends.
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Old 05.02.2015, 20:54
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According to Jordan Times and CNN, 30 out of 42 combat F-16 (they also have 18 Trainer A-16) today attacked ISIS in northern Syria


I do not know what the future will be. We will see
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Old 05.02.2015, 21:03
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anybody who buys into CIA or other conspiracy nonsense, however, is grossly overestimating the competence of western government agencies.
And those of us with first hand experience of Middle East bureaucracy, inefficiency, corruption etc.. are equally puzzled by the order, discipline and professionalism of ISIS.
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Old 05.02.2015, 21:36
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And those of us with first hand experience of Middle East bureaucracy, inefficiency, corruption etc.. are equally puzzled by the order, discipline and professionalism of ISIS.
Maybe they out-sourced the management to a Swiss firm
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And those of us with first hand experience of Middle East bureaucracy, inefficiency, corruption etc.. are equally puzzled by the order, discipline and professionalism of ISIS.
Kindly provide examples where ISIS was more ordered, disciplined or professional than, let's say, the Jordanian army.

In s previous thread you said that their volunteers were just kids looking for cool facebook pictures.
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Old 05.02.2015, 22:22
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Just watched the Channel 4 special tonight about the Yazid genocide and mass executions, rape and torture etc. Simply evil. Pure evil.

Then I watched the video of the Jordanian pilot being burned alive... I have a strong stomach so wasn't freaked out, but it just left me with a cold sense of rage.

I really think the UN should get all the civilians out that they can and then just send the Kurds and Jordanians in there to eradicate every man left using whatever firepower they deem necessary. Raze Raqqa and any other stronghold, flatten them completely.
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And those of us with first hand experience of Middle East bureaucracy, inefficiency, corruption etc.. are equally puzzled by the order, discipline and professionalism of ISIS.
well, first of all, referring to the "middle east" as if it was single culture is a little disingenuous, isn't it? unless you think that the Saudis like being compared to the Kuwaitis, or that the Turks like being compared to the Syrians.



I have plenty of first hand experience with many of the different cultures that constitute the "middle east", and have always found the corruption to be incredibly efficient, and there is certainly an element of discipline to it. it is also very open, which is one of the reasons the region remains so appealing to western business interests.
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Old 05.02.2015, 22:51
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And those of us with first hand experience of Middle East bureaucracy, inefficiency, corruption etc.. are equally puzzled by the order, discipline and professionalism of ISIS.
Strange that you would cite that as grounds to suspect a Western puppet master. I don't recalling seeing such effects in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. These could also be achieved by snapping people to full attention, and nothing like the threat of death to bring people to full attention.

For an indication of Western puppet masters, I would look for signs around its economy. I would follow the money. Look at how money is moving in and out of their territory. Where is the revenue from oil is going? What is happening to its debt? Where are the typical trappings of living in Western civilization? Where is the usury and the economic enslavement of the population?

I haven't seen signs of it. Just the opposite. They've set up internal banks. Instead of relying on the value of currency, they will be minting their own in gold, silver and copper. They have budgets planned, set up a consumer protection agency, and will not likely be charging interests, as that would be unislamic. They've effectively taken the whole area off the grid. How is any of this of any interests of anyone in the west?

If anything, they are trying to demonstrate an alternate World System. One where its economy, ethics and morality is quite different from the rest of the world. They are doing this with a vengeance because the world has failed them. They would like to prove that it is superior to the world. Because it is rooted in a different thought system derived from their interpretation of Islam. Looking at that indicates they have an extremely Islamic puppet master.

I don't know, how do you see a Western puppet master there? You can't possibly grow an orange from an apple tree, can you?
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In s previous thread you said that their volunteers were just kids looking for cool facebook pictures.
Indeed, and if you recall I was talking about Western European recruits.

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Jihadists in Syria write home to France: 'My iPod is broken. I want to come back'

French jihadists complain about the cold, not knowing how to fight and how their iPods are running out



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Letters from French jihadists home to their parents have revealed the misery, boredom and fear suffered by Islamist recruits as the gloss fades from their big adventure.
In a series of letters seen by Le Figaro newspaper, some of the 376 French currently fighting in Syria have begged for advice on how to return. Others have complained that, rather than participating in a noble battle, they have been acting as jihadi dogsbodies.
"I've basically done nothing except hand out clothes and food," wrote one, who wants to return from Aleppo. "I also help clean weapons and transport dead bodies from the front. Winter's arrived here. It's begun to get really hard."
Another writes: "I'm fed up. They make me do the washing up."
One Frenchman whinged that he wanted to come home because he was missing the comforts of life in France.

"I'm fed up. My iPod doesn't work any more here. I have to come back."
A third wrote fearfully: "They want to send me to the front, but I don't know how to fight."
Others were concerned, more prosaically, about the nationality of their baby, which was born in Syria and so not recognised by the French state.
And Le Figaro said that, among Islamist commanders, it had been noticed that some of the French were beginning to want to leave. One Frenchman was rumoured to have been beheaded when he explained to the emir that he wanted to follow his friend who had already left.
"Everyone knows that, the longer these people stay there, the worse it will be because having watched or committed attrocities, they become ticking time bombs," said one lawyer, quoted in Le Figaro.
"But, when it comes to having a discussion about whether France is ready to accept repentants, no politician is willing to take the risk. Imagine if one of these ex-jihadis is involved subsequently in an attack?"
A group of lawyers in France are acting on behalf of the families of the young people to try and persuade the state to allow the jihadis to return. They told the newspaper that they are trying to make discreet contact with the anti-terrorist police, the directors of internal security and the office of the interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve.
The lawyers said that nothing is ever agreed in advance, on behalf of the jihadis - and the advice is always: "Present yourself at the French consulat in Istanbul or Erbil (in Iraq). And then we will see."
Of the approximately 100 jihadists who have returned to France, 76 are in prison.
And the report said that Britain was known as the global leader in reforming jihadists - so much so that some within the French system were asking to be seconded to MI5 - "famed for their art of debriefing".
"Within the secret services, it's said that British jihadis are more interesting because they have a higher intellectual level than their French colleagues, who are more often donkeys," one expert told the paper.
The story of the French jihadis has parallels with that of an Indian man who spent six months fighting alongside Isis in Iraq, before becoming disillusioned with his job cleaning toilets, and returning to Mumbai.
Majeed, 23, was one of four young Muslim men from Kalyan, a city east of Mumbai, known to have journeyed to the Middle East to join the extremist outfit.
"There was neither a holy war nor any of the preachings in the holy book were followed," Majeed is quoted as saying during his interrogation. Islamic State "fighters raped many women there," he reportedly said.

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Indeed, and if you recall I was talking about Western European recruits.
This doesn't fit your description of an orderly organization. still waiting for your examples.
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Old 05.02.2015, 23:46
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Indeed, and if you recall I was talking about Western European recruits.
Two sentences stuck in my mind from this quote;
"Within the secret services, it's said that British jihadis are more interesting because they have a higher intellectual level than their French colleagues, who are more often donkeys," one expert told the paper."

"The story of the French jihadis has parallels with that of an Indian man who spent six months fighting alongside Isis in Iraq, before becoming disillusioned with his job cleaning toilets, and returning to Mumbai."

No idea if they are correct but they have a ring of truth (nothing against the French; I just have the impression that the French recruits to ISIS mostly come from French areas where education and attending school are low priority.?)

I did try to start a discussion some time ago about who is (are) the ISIS puppet master(s).

My impression is that they are well organised but their real goals, objectives and time scales are unknown?
Whether they really want to start a Caliph or simply use this statement as an excuse to occupy and control a large geographic area is also a good question.

I do not see the CIA because such secrets always leak; and nothing has leaked so far - especially about such a very large organisation..
There has been nothing from Snowden or Wikileaks that even hints in this direction.

It is a Wahhabi extremist group so the obvious leadership would be Saudi?

There were 19 hijackers (9/11 attacks) and 15 of them (like Osama bin Laden) were Saudi nationals; maybe just a coincidence?
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And those of us with first hand experience of Middle East bureaucracy, inefficiency, corruption etc.. are equally puzzled by the order, discipline and professionalism of ISIS.

They now got confronted by the order and discipline and professionalism of the Royal Jordanian Air Force
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[QUOTE=crazygringo;2335281]well, first of all, referring to the "middle east" as if it was single culture is a little disingenuous, isn't it? unless you think that the Saudis like being compared to the Kuwaitis, or that the Turks like being compared to the Syrians.
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Lebanese, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqi, Kuwaitis, Saudis, Egyptians, Algerians and Moroccans share to be Arabs, to be members of the Arab Nation ........ while Turks and Iranians of course do NOT
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