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View Poll Results: What is the likely result of the 2015 UK General Election?
Conservatives win outright majority 1 3.13%
Labour win outright majority 1 3.13%
Hung parliament; Conservatives able to form a government 15 46.88%
Hung parliament; Labour able to form a government 4 12.50%
Chaos / no party able to form stable govt 8 25.00%
No idea / too unpredictable 3 9.38%
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Interesting rumours that we may get another Miliband as Labour Leader... this time the right choice IMHO.
I quite like the look of this Chuka Umunna character.

Our very own Obama!
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We always watch Question Time - and Chuka is quite impressive despite his young years.
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Our very own Obama!
Why on earth would anyone wish that on the UK?
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Why on earth would anyone wish that on the UK?
Because he has a brain.
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Because he has a brain.
Meh! A lot of people do, but I suspect it is something else. It's because he's cute, right? But it isn't a date.... swipe left swipe right.
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Meh! A lot of people do, but I suspect it is something else. It's because he's cute, right? But it isn't a date.... swipe left swipe right.
I don't think Obama was elected because he was cute. People went for him because he mounted a very powerful campaign that resonated with a lot of people at a time that the opposition was in disarray, trying to pick up the broken pieces that GWB was leaving behind and was unable to mount a suitable counter-campaign, or even find suitable people to run. You could in fact argue that they haven't got far beyond that to this day and the odds are that Hillary can ride the same wave and win without having to do much fine tuning. But I digress.

Fast forward to the next UK campaign and imagine this new wannabe Obama cos he's got a smilar skin colour to Obama up against a Boris Johnson and his reality distortion field and you'll have a very different situation.
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I don't think Obama was elected because he was cute. People went for him because he mounted a very powerful campaign that resonated with a lot of people at a time that the opposition was in disarray, trying to pick up the broken pieces that GWB was leaving behind and was unable to mount a suitable counter-campaign, or even find suitable people to run. You could in fact argue that they haven't got far beyond that to this day and the odds are that Hillary can ride the same wave and win without having to do much fine tuning. But I digress.

Fast forward to the next UK campaign and imagine this new wannabe Obama cos he's got a smilar skin colour to Obama up against a Boris Johnson and his reality distortion field and you'll have a very different situation.

Obama presented a breath of fresh air to staid politics. A new persona, new ideas brought through powerful speeches. Ground-breaking. A vision for the next millenium. Nobel Prize caliber. Hope and promise that "Yes, we can!". etc. But that is just it: "But we didn't".

A question is, why would you want to elect a leader again based on persona, particular dramatized by the racist aspect of it? Political choices based on cults of personalities are very rarely a good idea. It really ought to be base on more solid principles. I don't know. Maybe for some, its a racial choice.
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Obama presented a breath of fresh air to staid politics. A new persona, new ideas brought through powerful speeches. Ground-breaking. A vision for the next millenium. Nobel Prize caliber. Hope and promise that "Yes, we can!". etc. But that is just it: "But we didn't".

A question is, why would you want to elect a leader again based on persona, particular dramatized by the racist aspect of it? Political choices based on cults of personalities are very rarely a good idea. It really ought to be base on more solid principles. I don't know. Maybe for some, its a racial choice.
Perhaps because the job of British Prime Minister is very different to the cult of US President.
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Perhaps because the job of British Prime Minister is very different to the cult of US President.
Right, and the British don't elect a Prime Minister, do they? Nevertheless, why would you want an Obama for the UK?
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Right, and the British don't elect a Prime Minister, do they? Nevertheless, why would you want an Obama for the UK?
Good for Ireland, obviously, but a bit foreign for the UK.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

Seems Farage has withdrawn his resignation.

Is this a precedent for the other losers?
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Seems Farage has withdrawn his resignation.

Is this a precedent for the other losers?
I read that UKIP refused to accept his resignation so he had no option.
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Well, he still could have said no, but he's decided to carry on as leader.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32696505
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

The decapitated head is back on the snake as the Tories say. Good old honour Farage style!


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Good for Ireland, obviously, but a bit foreign for the UK.
Yes but the role of the Irish President is more or less the same as the Monarch in the UK when it comes to politics and the law: signing bills into law, ensuring that parliament does not attempt to enact any law that is not in line with the constitution, summoning and dissolving parliament etc...

I don't know, but I imagine that very often the legal drafts persons have it easy: start by looking a statute from Ireland/UK, if you don't find anything move on the former dominions or India. Once you found something, fire up the word processor and do a couple of find/replace exercises: President goes to Her Majesty, Council of State goes to Privy Council, Seanad goes to House of Lords and your almost finished, all the remains is a proof read, fix up the date references to other statutory instruments and your done!
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Yes but the role of the Irish President is more or less the same as the Monarch in the UK when it comes to politics and the law: signing bills into law, ensuring that parliament does not attempt to enact any law that is not in line with the constitution, summoning and dissolving parliament etc...

I don't know, but I imagine that very often the legal drafts persons have it easy: start by looking a statute from Ireland/UK, if you don't find anything move on the former dominions or India. Once you found something, fire up the word processor and do a couple of find/replace exercises: President goes to Her Majesty, Council of State goes to Privy Council, Seanad goes to House of Lords and your almost finished, all the remains is a proof read, fix up the date references to other statutory instruments and your done!
My point was actually that Barry O'Bama would be just right for Ireland but maybe not so much for the UK... ... lame joke, I admit...
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My point was actually that Barry O'Bama would be just right for Ireland but maybe not so much for the UK... ... lame joke, I admit...
Na he'd get very board sitting out there in the Phoenix Park every day with nothing to do but welcome the odd ambassador or head of state from time to time:

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...and you live in Switzerland, so this result will not affect you in the slightest
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If you are a UK citizen, living in Switzerland and do not have a Swiss passport it may well affect you.
It could affect everyone in Switzerland depending on their future actions

http://lenews.ch/2015/05/08/uk-elect...r-switzerland/
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It could affect everyone in Switzerland depending on their future actions

http://lenews.ch/2015/05/08/uk-elect...r-switzerland/
Many of us still have a foot in both countries, property there, and mainly people we love- in our case lots of friends and family, including 2 adult daughters and grand-children. So what happens in the UK very much matters to us- as well as what happens to the 'institutions' we have worked in all our lives, state education and the NHS. And we may well go back at some stage, like many here.

If reciprocal agreements go, we might end up being double taxed and losing all sorts of rights we take for granted now.
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Well looking back over the history of the EU it is clear that everything is negotiable to it members otherwise it would not have evolved to what it is today, but when Frau Merkel states that fee movement is not negotiable she is correct when it comes to third countries - that is EU policy right now.

Having said that we also have to understand exactly what the UK is expecting, it is not just about the free movement of people, it is about the right to treat it's own citizens more favourable that other EU citizens when it comes to benefits and in the end that could very well be the breaking point, because I can not see the citizens of Denmark, France or Ireland voting in favour of such a concept, let allow most of the other member states.
I said it on another thread and I'll say it again.
I'm afraid a lot of what E.U. means is being lost, as far as most people are concerned. It's ridiculous, everybody talks only about freedom of movement and benefits (really, you should check the statistics first and see for yourself that non-EU immigrants are the main recipients everywhere, that being in Germany, France, etc but that's not the point here). And don't get me started on illegal immigration from pretty much everywhere.
Anyways. That's the whole idea, Jim2007, you, as a member country of this union, cannot treat your own citizens better than any other citizen of it, by default. And that goes not only when freedom of people movement comes into discussion, but also for the much more important and influential issues too - companies of any size, investors - be them physical or juridical persons, really enjoy equal rights in each country and that means they can benefit from tax exempts, investments from the state budget (know numerous cases where little unknown foreign companies benefited from all of these only in my home country), practically every other advantage that a local company has, including the fact that they can invest in any domain - mining, forests, natural resources, land and properties acquisitions, do profits repatriation. Let's not forget about the freedom of goods and services.
So, what do you think they are going to do? Give up the immense advantages they have for a minor discomfort? I don't think so. Take a pen and a piece of paper, do the calculation and you'll see why.
I, for one, would like that all freedoms should be re-negotiated and some re-nationalisations would be done, if you ask me (for pretty good reasons - ecological reasons mainly). Am afraid that is not going to happen, so please let's stop bitching about the least important freedom of all E.U. freedoms, I like to believe we're not only DM readers here.
I'm all for giving the chance to anyone wishing to get out of this project, but while they are in it, please play by the rules. Well, but that's just me I guess.

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