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View Poll Results: What is the likely result of the 2015 UK General Election?
Conservatives win outright majority 1 3.13%
Labour win outright majority 1 3.13%
Hung parliament; Conservatives able to form a government 15 46.88%
Hung parliament; Labour able to form a government 4 12.50%
Chaos / no party able to form stable govt 8 25.00%
No idea / too unpredictable 3 9.38%
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Old 13.05.2015, 10:46
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Many of us still have a foot in both countries, property there, and mainly people we love- in our case lots of friends and family, including 2 adult daughters and grand-children. So what happens in the UK very much matters to us- as well as what happens to the 'institutions' we have worked in all our lives, state education and the NHS. And we may well go back at some stage, like many here.

If reciprocal agreements go, we might end up being double taxed and losing all sorts of rights we take for granted now.


But don't you think its a bit selfish to place expectations on another country and the people who have to live and work there every day just because one day you might possibly want to go back or have some real estate investments that you're worried about. Shouldn't such concerns take back seat priority?


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I'm afraid a lot of what E.U. means is being lost,

What does the EU really mean? I think it depends who you ask.


For the Brits, its about having a trading club.
For the French, its about leveraging French values and building a geopolitical superpower that can look the US and China in the eye.
For the Germans its about atoning for the war and proving how sorry they are by paying for everything.
For the Poles its about proving how far they've come since they threw aside the shackles of communism.
For The Greeks its about the free lunch.


Everybody manages to creatively reinterpret what the others are saying so they can stay in their comfort zone of believing everybody agrees with them.





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I, for one, would like that all freedoms should be re-negotiated and some re-nationalisations would be done, if you ask me (for pretty good reasons - ecological reasons mainly).

I agree with the re-negotiation bit. Personally I don't like the idea of renationalization as governments can bungle things just as badly as the private sector and don't necessarily follow higher principles either. But I do believe in there being strict rules and accountability for activities that impact ecology and that there needs to be an end to the lobby organizations basically writing the rules themselves. I believe ecological responsibility needs to be laid out at a constitutional level and penalties need to be stricter. But this is a different topic. I think in principle we are in agreement.


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Am afraid that is not going to happen, so please let's stop bitching about the least important freedom of all E.U. freedoms,

Never underestimate people power. But if everybody thinks things will never change, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

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But don't you think its a bit selfish to place expectations on another country and the people who have to live and work there every day just because one day you might possibly want to go back or have some real estate investments that you're worried about. Shouldn't such concerns take back seat priority?
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Depends. Placing expectations on the country where I was born and wishing that it prospers as it deserves, that family, relatives and friends are doing well, it's a natural thing to me. I wouldn't have spent 2 hours in front of the consulate in order to cast my vote if I wasn't convinced it is all worth it.

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What does the EU really mean? I think it depends who you ask.


For the Brits, its about having a trading club.
For the French, its about leveraging French values and building a geopolitical superpower that can look the US and China in the eye.
For the Germans its about atoning for the war and proving how sorry they are by paying for everything.
For the Poles its about proving how far they've come since they threw aside the shackles of communism.
For The Greeks its about the free lunch.
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Oh, c'mon. You know it's a bit more for everybody in there. I know it was a joke, but even for a joke it looks like you highly underestimate the Germans...


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Never underestimate people power. But if everybody thinks things will never change, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
Hmm, sounds like some line from Marx...
Joke aside, not at all, but I'm afraid people's will is being misguided in most cases, and that political power is all that counts.
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Old 13.05.2015, 11:41
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I agree with the re-negotiation bit. Personally I don't like the idea of renationalization as governments can bungle things just as badly as the private sector and don't necessarily follow higher principles either. But I do believe in there being strict rules and accountability for activities that impact ecology and that there needs to be an end to the lobby organizations basically writing the rules themselves. I believe ecological responsibility needs to be laid out at a constitutional level and penalties need to be stricter. But this is a different topic. I think in principle we are in agreement.
I'm sure the EU has been useful for dislodging entrenched corruption at a national level. They may have eliminated a number of bureaucratic fat cats. And you would think you would end up with a leaner government, which is desirable. But what in effect it has done is outsource parts of government, and outsource the corruption as well. Bribery is reported to be widespread in the EU, and influence peddling takes place at a much grander scale. So the bureaucratic/mafioso components of governments hasn't really been eliminated, it just moved to Brussels.

There may be components of Eurosceptism that is working to bring their rackets back. But there are also components of Eurosceptism that is working to bring some of its own sovereignty back. The idea that a country should be able to chart its own course is fundamental to a democracy. These are hampered by EU rules. This may be perfectly acceptable for those who've "Internationalized", gone transient, and no longer really have a country of their own. But it is disconcerting for those who haven't really internationalized, and are seeking to affect or improve their society and culture. Its somewhat invasive and overbearing. What is the point of having countries under the EU if it can't run the way it wants to?
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

I see the UK government have come up with the idea that a strike should be supported by at least 40% of those eligible to vote as well as a majority of those that actually do vote.

Pity they don't apply that to forming a majority government. I think they got the support of about 24% of those eligible to vote.
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Old 13.05.2015, 12:35
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I see the UK government have come up with the idea that a strike should be supported by at least 40% of those eligible to vote as well as a majority of those that actually do vote.

Pity they don't apply that to forming a majority government. I think they got the support of about 24% of those eligible to vote.

Well a strike vote is binary, Yes or No. The elections were for 7+ parties, across 650 constituencies. With 51% of the seats, and 36.9% of the popular vote won by Conservatives, is the outcome still not clear enough?

By the way, what does 24% mean, and who was not eligible to vote?
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The idea that a country should be able to chart its own course is fundamental to a democracy. These are hampered by EU rules.
Agree, that's why each country should be given the option to get out of it. That referendum that Cameron has promised in elections should do the trick for the Brits, hopefully.

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This may be perfectly acceptable for those who've "Internationalized", gone transient, and no longer really have a country of their own. But it is disconcerting for those who haven't really internationalized, and are seeking to affect or improve their society and culture. Its somewhat invasive and overbearing. What is the point of having countries under the EU if it can't run the way it wants to?
Exactly, an in-out vote for everyone. It should work. Although I'm afraid is a bit late for some, to undo some damages I mean. With immigrants should be simple: you make them leave, and if nothing functions just force them in a boat, plane or something.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

Well, In or Out is the proposition from the EU, the offer you can't resist. But what is really needed is to reform and overhaul the EU, kick out all its bureaucrats, and make it more accountable to democracy. This will happen eventually.
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Old 13.05.2015, 16:39
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Don't hold your breath on that one.


He's a slippery one, that Nigel.
It appears that Nigel is back, after UKIP threatened to replace him by a Romanian immigrant who could talk twice the rubbish for half the money.

http://newsthump.com/2015/05/12/nige...m-stealing-it/
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It appears that Nigel is back, after UKIP threatened to replace him by a Romanian immigrant who could talk twice the rubbish for half the money.

http://newsthump.com/2015/05/12/nige...m-stealing-it/
Had a good laugh on that one...

Meanwhile in Italy. Allegedly....

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The Italian Interior Minister said Italian municipalities need to enforce a directive for migrants to work without pay.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150508/1021860303.html

Genuine question: is Europe producing only rubbish politicians lately? Because, frankly, I personally don't want to be a citizen of this E.U. The E.U. of Farage and the likes. On my passport is written that I am part of it......awww!

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Brussels = a lot of middle age civil servants in it for the privileges with some who have a sense of duty (usually women)


EU at large: a vast pool of talents and creativity, entrepreneurs and skilled workers who could gain so much more from each other if people with a vision, charisma and principles led it. We could be so much more with a bit of melting pot and a European Dream rather than the European nightmare:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTDL25N4xg
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Brussels = a lot of middle age civil servants in it for the privileges with some who have a sense of duty (usually women)


EU at large: a vast pool of talents and creativity, entrepreneurs and skilled workers who could gain so much more from each other if people with a vision, charisma and principles led it. We could be so much more with a bit of melting pot and a European Dream rather than the European nightmare:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTDL25N4xg
Yeah, it must be the lack of a European Dream that drives European talents to pursue their happiness by following the American dream...in America, at that.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32748106

Looks like Britbama has already withdrawn
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Interesting phrase to use:

"He added that he understood there was no scandal that lay behind his decision to step aside."
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