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View Poll Results: What is the likely result of the 2015 UK General Election?
Conservatives win outright majority 1 3.13%
Labour win outright majority 1 3.13%
Hung parliament; Conservatives able to form a government 15 46.88%
Hung parliament; Labour able to form a government 4 12.50%
Chaos / no party able to form stable govt 8 25.00%
No idea / too unpredictable 3 9.38%
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

Why do people always go on about the Bullingdon Club? I was also a complete tosser when I was 20 - nobody holds that against me now.

Is it because they wore suits and looked better than the rest of us did in the 80s?
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- how popular is Mr Cameron ?
- who is the Labour candidate for Prime Minister ?
Lol. There are no "candidates" for Prime Minister. Under the Westminster system, the leader of the party that wins the majority of the popular vote (or the largest portion of the vote, if there is no clear majority or no majority formed through a coalition) is invited by the Queen or her representative to form a government. The leaders of the Conservative and Labour parties are elected by a very small number of high-ranking party members (parliamentarians). The Prime Minister is not elected directly by the people ( la US President).

This makes for an interesting hypothetical situation: what if Labour wins the General Election, but Ed Milliband loses his seat? Then the party would elect a new leader, who would become PM -- without even a hint of a popular mandate.
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Why do people always go on about the Bullingdon Club? I was also a complete tosser when I was 20 - nobody holds that against me now.

Is it because they wore suits and looked better than the rest of us did in the 80s?

"I was also a complete tosser when I was 20"

Maybe it's because these guys remain as complete tossers for a lifetime.The floor of the HOC resembles nothing more than a normal evening in a school dorm.
Idiots braying and waving at each other across the floor over little more than trivia.
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"I was also a complete tosser when I was 20"

Maybe it's because these guys remain as complete tossers for a lifetime.The floor of the HOC resembles nothing more than a normal evening in a school dorm.
Idiots braying and waving at each other across the floor over little more than trivia.
Sounds like any expat pub in Zurich.

Upper middle class people behaving like upper middle class people. So what's the answer? Well, clearly more lower middle class and working class people - but they're not interested in politics since there aren't any parties to represent them any more.

So what now?

Revolution? Apathy? Benevolent dictatorship? Anarchy?
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Why do people always go on about the Bullingdon Club? I was also a complete tosser when I was 20 - nobody holds that against me now.
I do.
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The Prime Minister is not elected directly by the people ( la US President).
The US president is also not elected directly by the people. That's all just for show, to make the little people feel like they have a direct say:

electoral college
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Why do people always go on about the Bullingdon Club? ...........

Confession: the Bullingdon Club sounds like quite a lot of fun to me.

I mean... it's surely self-parody? The wealthy toffs in evening dress who glugged Champers and feasted at Oxford's finest restaurants, were surely taking the piss out of themselves and their class?

As a workin' class kid, I used to love slumming it with my mates in the public bars of huge, filthy, Irish boozers full of... huge, filthy, Irish boozers. It's the same sort of thing really.

Any resentment about the Bullingdon Club stems from our ineligibility for it. In different circumstances we'd have been there like a shot, I reckon.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

The system back there is so undemocratic, and the society so dysfunctional and authoritarian, I am not going to pretend to take part in it.

I made a considered and deliberate decision to leave it behind.
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Lol. There are no "candidates" for Prime Minister. Under the Westminster system, the leader of the party that wins the majority of the popular vote (or the largest portion of the vote, if there is no clear majority or no majority formed through a coalition) is invited by the Queen or her representative to form a government. The leaders of the Conservative and Labour parties are elected by a very small number of high-ranking party members (parliamentarians). The Prime Minister is not elected directly by the people ( la US President).

This makes for an interesting hypothetical situation: what if Labour wins the General Election, but Ed Milliband loses his seat? Then the party would elect a new leader, who would become PM -- without even a hint of a popular mandate.
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IF Tories and Labours achieve the same number of people into parliament
and neither the Tory leader nor the Labour leader bring a govt together
will then the queen appoint a regent-general, for-ex. CrownRegent Charles to lead a government-of-national-unity, with Ministers appointed by her ?
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IF Tories and Labours achieve the same number of people into parliament
and neither the Tory leader nor the Labour leader bring a govt together
will then the queen appoint a regent-general, for-ex. CrownRegent Charles to lead a government-of-national-unity, with Ministers appointed by her ?
The principle is that she needs to think they can command the support of the Commons, before inviting them to become PM & form a government. So they will not be selected from outside the House of Commons.

It's an interesting question what would happen if, after some time, she thought no one able to meet the criteria to be invited to become PM & form a government. Previously she would eventually have dissolved parliament, bringing a new general election. The Fixed-term Parliaments Act recently took this power away from her, and parliament can only be dissolved early by itself. Presumably they would do this, but it could get amusing if they didn't.
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A coalition with Sinn Fein is impossible, as they refuse to turn up at Westminster so they would never be able to vote with the government.
Well they have a historical precedent of taking the oath and simply ignoring it, so that would not be to hard to over come if they saw a chance to stir things up...

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And Gerry Adams as Deputy PM? Zero chance. Politically inconceivable, given recent history.
Gerry Adams sits in the Dail (the Irish Parliment) as the leader of the third biggest party and politicians being as they are it would not surprise me at all if one of them made a colition deal with him.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

It's going to be a mess.

No-one will gain a clear majority, and Cameron and Milliband will face leadership challenges in the ensuing chaos. Daniel Hannan, having resined as an MEP, announcing himself as a surprise Tory candidate at the election and winning his seat, will become the next Tory leader. He will win a landslide at the re-run on an anti-EU stance, thereby relegating the UKIP rabble to an inconsequential sideshow. Labour will disintegrate into a hapless confusion of Blairites and traditional socialists. LibDems will erm, I don't care really.
That's what I would like to happen, but it won't.
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Then the party would elect a new leader, who would become PM -- without even a hint of a popular mandate.
We had this sentiment with Brown. It's nonsense.

We don't vote for a PM. We vote for a party and their manifesto. The mandate is for the party; they are expected to choose suitable leaders (and ditch unsuitable ones) when required.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

the trouble with normal people getting into power is they spectacularly screw up, they either go mental and make very bad decisions based on there own prejudice - this rich toffs can afford to pay 90p in the pound tax, or they become corrupted very quickly indeed (pick any labour MP). personally I'd rather people in power who don't need the money that suddenly becomes available to them, sure they are all corrupt self serving bastards but give the huge screw up labour managed when they where last in power anyone who votes for them needs there head tested.

I think the rules for becoming an MP need to change, never had a proper job, then no can do plus a minimum age, and by proper job that would exclude anyone who's only worked for gov / local gov except police, fire & army. Just how can you know wtf your talking about when you've never done a proper days work in your life???

Career politicians are at the heart of everything thats wrong in westminster
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We had this sentiment with Brown. It's nonsense.

We don't vote for a PM. We vote for a party and their manifesto. The mandate is for the party; they are expected to choose suitable leaders (and ditch unsuitable ones) when required.
Technically, we vote for a candidate, but you're right - we tend to vote for a party first and foremost. Yet the perception of that party is largely created by the leader, so the choice of leader is crucial.
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Technically, we vote for a candidate, but you're right - we tend to vote for a party first and foremost. Yet the perception of that party is largely created by the leader, so the choice of leader is crucial.
Mirfield was talking about the Prime Minister, who is not voted for by the general population. S/he is elected only as a local MP by the voters in his/her constituency.

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We had this sentiment with Brown. It's nonsense.
Yes, President Brown was nonsense. (Although Tony started it.)
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Thanks, that is correct, and I would like to mention that the party is not mentioned at all on the ballot paper
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

I'd register to vote, but there's no point. Under UK's lovely FPP system, my vote will be counted in SE London (as far as I know) which means that there's no chance anyone other than torries will win that seat.

UK system much like US, gives power to the marginal constituentsies and invalidates a large majority (don't have the stats) of other votes.

Never ceases to amaze me how a sensible system like NZ's parliamentary election, with 1 vote for candidate and 1 for party can't be implemented there. Just shows you that common sense has no place in politics.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

Sorry, I deleted my post. When did that change come about? It was never like that when I voted... I understood the party was never mentioned!
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