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Conservatives win outright majority 1 3.13%
Labour win outright majority 1 3.13%
Hung parliament; Conservatives able to form a government 15 46.88%
Hung parliament; Labour able to form a government 4 12.50%
Chaos / no party able to form stable govt 8 25.00%
No idea / too unpredictable 3 9.38%
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Old 06.05.2015, 19:06
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Maybe the major parties are in consensus over many issues because that is the correct way to treat them? You propose some mainstream parties propose alternatives just to be "different", whether they're workable or not?

Parties shouldn't propose things to be different, but because they believe they are right


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Why?

I think I've already explained this pretty well. If you want to discuss a particular aspect, then name that aspect. I don't see the point in explain everything all over again.

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If they think that the current lot doesn't represent them, they should find somebody from among themselves to stand up and represent them. Thats how new parties come into being. Be the change that you want to see.

In theory yes.


In practice, new parties don't spring out of the ground very often, and many that do have short lives before vanishing into oblivion. The system is heavily weighted in favour of the incumbents. The press and media give the incumbents all the publicity. Many people who do sympathies with the small parties end up not voting for them because they fear their vote will be wasted. The list goes on. So although the system is open in theory, in practice its pretty much a closed shop.
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Old 06.05.2015, 19:16
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AIBU or does Camo not look bothered about being re-elected or losing? It seems to me like PM is just another notch on his CV
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I think I've already explained this pretty well. If you want to discuss a particular aspect, then name that aspect. I don't see the point in explain everything all over again.
I think I have already suggested why a lot of empty seats would allow an environment of despotism to prosper. A second aspect will be governance itself. Just think if the empty seats, defaulting to 'No' becomes the majority. There will not be a single positive decision taken. Should we run? No. Should we come out of NATO? No. Should we remain in NATO? No.

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In theory yes.
In practice, new parties don't spring out of the ground very often, and many that do have short lives before vanishing into oblivion.
Which is precisely because, that while it is not a party, a collection of people has much to offer by way of criticism and when they form a party they see how vast the gap between preaching and acting on it is.

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Many people who do sympathies with the small parties end up not voting for them because they fear their vote will be wasted.
Which is just another way of saying that we loathe to act on what we preach. However we find immense pleasure in being an arm-chair critic and find holes in what the government is doing (rightly or wrongly). Each vote counts. If you have voted for a small party that doesn't go on to win the seat you at least have registered a mark of protest against the other parties, you at least have boosted the confidence of that small party, suggesting that they are on the right track. Their 1% vote share might grow a little larger next time around. Thats how new parties would survive. By not going to vote you are shirking your own responsibility to find the suitable candidate that you are otherwise striving for.
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Old 07.05.2015, 11:08
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I think I have already suggested why a lot of empty seats would allow an environment of despotism to prosper. A second aspect will be governance itself. Just think if the empty seats, defaulting to 'No' becomes the majority. There will not be a single positive decision taken. Should we run? No. Should we come out of NATO? No. Should we remain in NATO? No.

Which is maybe not such a bad thing. Blocking reform is a message that the status quo is maybe not the best of all possible worlds but good enough that it doesn't need tinkering with during the present legislature. As I said, politicians love to create a legacy for themselves. they see themselves as grand architects. Thus they tinker with and reform things just for the sake of it. A sizeable block of NO votes can rein that in and give things a chance to just keep going and work as designed. If at some point a real need for reform becomes apparent, then we can elect the people who can push those reforms, and vote them out again when they're done. What is so wrong with this concept?


Should ever the NO-VOTES gain a majority, surely that reflects the fact that the democratic majority of people want that. If that's what the people want, why should they not have it?

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Which is precisely because, that while it is not a party, a collection of people has much to offer by way of criticism and when they form a party they see how vast the gap between preaching and acting on it is.

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Which is just another way of saying that we loathe to act on what we preach. However we find immense pleasure in being an arm-chair critic and find holes in what the government is doing (rightly or wrongly). Each vote counts. If you have voted for a small party that doesn't go on to win the seat you at least have registered a mark of protest against the other parties, you at least have boosted the confidence of that small party, suggesting that they are on the right track. Their 1% vote share might grow a little larger next time around. Thats how new parties would survive. By not going to vote you are shirking your own responsibility to find the suitable candidate that you are otherwise striving for.

But what if I don't want to mark a vote of protest against other parties but I want to mark a vote of protest against the system as such?


Why is it that we always need to focus on the negative and not see the positive of such a system. I don't think the NO-VOTES will ever be a parliamentary majority, but if they are a minority block they can make things a little more difficult and mean the other parties will be forced to form broader coalitions to form a majority and thus listen to and involve more sections of the population. I think this is a good thing. I think its the opposite of the despotism that you are painting. Why the fear?
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Old 07.05.2015, 11:13
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

Another probable stat:

Greens and UKIP combined will get nearly 20% of the vote, yet only around 4 seats. The SNP will get around 4% of the vote and over 50 seats.
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Yup, FPTP sucks.
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Another probable stat:

Greens and UKIP combined will get nearly 20% of the vote, yet only around 4 seats. The SNP will get around 4% of the vote and over 50 seats.
Well that could have been fixed by approving the referendum in 2011 on Alternative Voting. So the UK voters only have themselves to blame on that one.

Meanwhile, E4 really is shut down for the day... Hilarious!
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

Jesus blood bath in Scotland. Exit poll showing 58/59 seats for SNP.

I will be very surprised if this is true. Going to be a exciting night
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Jesus blood bath in Scotland. Exit poll showing 58/59 seats for SNP.

I will be very surprised if this is true. Going to be a exciting night
Looks like they're heading for a single party state up there... Hope it's wrong !
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Looks like it's arrivederci Ed.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

The skepticism in this election implied the people didn't really want to vote. In other words, they weren't particularly inspired for change. Which is about right for where the UK is at the moment, where the biggest problem seems to be merely "threats" to stability, rather then instability itself. Stability and longevity is very good and needed for UK, and voters expressed just that. Democracy works. Congrats on the results.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

Douglas Alexander the Shadow Foreigh Minister has lost his seat... It appears all is changing in Scotland.
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Jesus blood bath in Scotland. Exit poll showing 58/59 seats for SNP.

I will be very surprised if this is true. Going to be a exciting night
Not wrong. Even the Swiss radio guy was getting excited when reading this bit of news out this morning and were raving about the newest 20 year old MP who'd ousted a major figure.

Interesting result all round and not at all what the polls were predicting. Bad day for labour. Poor Ed.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

Now looking like a Conservative majority, just. Lib Dems are dead in the water, possibly less than 10 MPs. Labour have failed in their quest, and the SNP have succeeded. Ed better leave, Clegg will within 24 hours.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

It might be a result that pleases many people: the SNP have control of Scotland and the Conservatives have England & Wales.

The SNP have defeated Labour, who will now struggle to gain control of parliament in the many years to come. But the Scots will still have to live under Cameron, who will not want them leave the UK. I see problems ahead on that struggle.

If the right wing Northern Irish DUP join the Conservatives, then Cameron will be very safe.

Looking at votes and the number of seats won, first past the post (FPTP) is clearly unrepresentative, but I read there was a vote in 2011, and FPTP system won.
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Re: UK General Election 2015: May 7 (poll)

Cameron is as clueless as Milliband, he should have buried Labour. LibDems have only themselves to blame for not negotiating proportional rep and for dancing to the Tories tune and their cuts with a smile on their faces
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I am gutted I woke up this morning, well at least the weather is nice today...
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It might be a result that pleases many people: the SVP have control of Scotland
Did the SVP branch out of Switzerland? If they did then that will be a first of its kind!! Or is it SNP, excitement got the better of you?
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It might be a result that pleases many people: the SVP have control of Scotland and the Conservatives have England & Wales.

The SVP have defeated Labour, who will now struggle to gain control of parliament in the many years to come. But the Scots will still have to live under Cameron, who will not want them leave the UK. I see problems ahead on that struggle.

If the right wing Northern Irish DUP join the Conservatives, then Cameron will be very safe.

Looking at votes and the number of seats won, first past the post (FPTP) is clearly unrepresentative, but I read there was a vote in 2011, and FPTP system won.
Good ol' Ueli ..... We could be looking at a cross-border SVP- UKIP alliance.
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The skepticism in this election implied the people didn't really want to vote. In other words, they weren't particularly inspired for change. Which is about right for where the UK is at the moment, where the biggest problem seems to be merely "threats" to stability, rather then instability itself. Stability and longevity is very good and needed for UK, and voters expressed just that. Democracy works. Congrats on the results.
Democracy doesn't work when a party with 34% of the vote gets 50% of the seats.
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